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KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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Post by tuna74 »

Intralexical wrote: post #154
tuna74 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"How do you know if someone does not like Gnome? Don't worry, they will tell you." It is very rare that people who use Gnome feel the need to shit on other DEs, but the opposite seems to be pretty common.

Please. The only thing that's stayed constant through GNOME's history is that the developers have been rooting for other Linux projects to fail, like when System76 announced they were starting COSMIC (since completed and released) [0][1]. > It is very rare that people who use Gnome feel the need to shit on other DEs, but the opposite seems to be pretty common. You know what they say. If you encounter one jerk, then y…

"Please. The only thing that's stayed constant through GNOME's history is that the developers have been rooting for other Linux projects to fail, like when System76 announced they were starting COSMIC (since completed and released) [0][1]."

Discussing in semi-private forums if other projects have enough resources to implement certain features is not rooting for other projects to fail. But good that you could dig up a quote from 3 years ago!

"You know what they say. If you encounter one jerk, then you encountered one jerk. But if you meet 1000 jerks, and you think everyone who isn't your ally is a jerk, then maybe it's because you have a pattern of user-hostile and developer-hostile decisions which have given people reasons to dislike what you've done to their software ecosystem."

I don't understand what you mean here.

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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Post by guerrilla »

apt-get wrote: post #158
guerrilla wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a long-time GNOME user, I support this sentiment entirely. What a disaster. It keeps getting worse too. Now you can barely even tell foreground from background windows thanks to this Adwaita bullshit. First they removed all the features, now they're removing all of the visual information.

I finally took the plunge and upgraded from Ubuntu 22.04 to 24.04 on my work laptop. With that come all the gnome package updates and such. I reboot, load up my session, and a little while after need to grab a couple files from a zip archive. I double-click it in Nautilus, nothing happens. I give it a couple more clicks before I suspect something broke, right click it, and see "Extract" as... the default cursor actio…

Yep. This and a million other features just keep evaporating. Every few months we get a new downgrade.

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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Post by tuna74 »

dingnuts wrote: post #146
tuna74 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"How do you know if someone does not like Gnome? Don't worry, they will tell you." It is very rare that people who use Gnome feel the need to shit on other DEs, but the opposite seems to be pretty common.

That's a wild anecdote. I avoided KDE for YEARS because the guy that got me into desktop Linux told me it was terrible and I took his advice as a given. He and the folks he introduced me to all talked massive shit about KDE, and they used Gnome. This was back around the time Gnome 3 came out. Oh and when I switched to Plasma two years ago, a GNOME user I used to be friends with came out of the woodwork to tell me how…

It is not an anecdote. You can just read the comments here.

But you seem to have other experiences, I can't say anything about that.

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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Post by angiolillo »

setopt wrote: post #12

I used Linux for a long time (since ~2002), but for the past years I've been daily-driving a MacBook. I'm now switching back, and will likely go with either Gnome or KDE. I've used XFCE, i3wm, etc. for years before – and briefly tried Sway too before I switched to Mac – but from what I've read it sounds like the "big" DEs make life easier post-Wayland. Anyone want to share why you currently choose KDE over Gnome?

KDE is a wonderful desktop environment. It's been a while since I've used it but from what I've seen it grows and improves every year.

Gnome is more opinionated. There are fewer options overall, the core apps are generally much simpler, and it assumes a specific way of interacting with your computer. You can change this with extensions, but if you are dead set on a specific workflow and need to venture beyond a small set of widely-used and well-supported extensions then it may feel like you're swimming upstream.

I personally prefer Gnome because I don't mind trying out new workflows and it ended up being a good fit. But I understand why many "hacker types" would prefer KDE, and (assuming they've ironed out stability and release scheduling issues) I agree with other comments that KDE would make for a better default experience, especially for people coming from Windows.

Thankfully, both exist and you can try them and see what works for you!

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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Post by tuna74 »

cardanome wrote: post #156
dingnuts wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a wild anecdote. I avoided KDE for YEARS because the guy that got me into desktop Linux told me it was terrible and I took his advice as a given. He and the folks he introduced me to all talked massive shit about KDE, and they used Gnome. This was back around the time Gnome 3 came out. Oh and when I switched to Plasma two years ago, a GNOME user I used to be friends with came out of the woodwork to tell me how…

To be fair, the transition to KDE 4 was super painful. It was basically the Python 3 moment for KDE but worse because they removed a lot of features and gave you a buggy mess instead. Considering Gnome 3 released like three years after that it makes sense that he you would have discouraged you from using KDE. It took KDE many years to recover from that. Of course using Gnome 3 instead is a bit extreme. Even broken KD…

"To be fair, the transition to KDE 4 was super painful. It was basically the Python 3 moment for KDE but worse because they removed a lot of features and gave you a buggy mess instead."

That is not an excuse to talk shit about a FOSS project. You can say that "you found it buggy and don't recommend using it, but try it out if you want to".

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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Post by tuna74 »

apt-get wrote: post #158
guerrilla wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a long-time GNOME user, I support this sentiment entirely. What a disaster. It keeps getting worse too. Now you can barely even tell foreground from background windows thanks to this Adwaita bullshit. First they removed all the features, now they're removing all of the visual information.

I finally took the plunge and upgraded from Ubuntu 22.04 to 24.04 on my work laptop. With that come all the gnome package updates and such. I reboot, load up my session, and a little while after need to grab a couple files from a zip archive. I double-click it in Nautilus, nothing happens. I give it a couple more clicks before I suspect something broke, right click it, and see "Extract" as... the default cursor actio…

"> is drag and drop extraction from Nautilus (or other file managers) really that important?

Why, yes it is! It's even worse if you go and _break_ drag'n'drop support on X11! I'm not even using Wayland!"

It is apparently not important enough for anyone to actually work on it. But maybe it is for you?

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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Post by cardanome »

bovermyer wrote: post #96

With this hitting multiple communications media for me independently over the last few hours, it has me considering whether I can switch from Windows to Linux for my gaming PC again. Last time I tried, I used Ubuntu, and I experienced problems with several games via Proton (e.g., The Finals, Fields of Mistria, and Civilization VII, among others). I checked ProtonDB, and it looks like those issues may be resolved. How…

Dropbox works fine on Linux so you should be good. OneDrive has a community developed client, not sure how good it works.

Gaming works great on Linux, arguably better than on Windows. Show stoppers are mostly aggressive anti-cheat or DRM stuff so multiplayer can still suck but for anyone doing single player it is amazing. I have a windows installation I can dual boot into but I haven't in like half a year, I prefer gaming on Linux.

Linux Mint with Cinnamon has a traditional Desktop close to Windows. I highly recommend checking it out.

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

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Post by heavyset_go »

wiz21c wrote: post #21

I use KDE on my home PC since about a 15 years, exclusively. I like it a lot but it still has some rough edges here and there. For example, the network config interface is a bit messy. Sure you can configure many things with it, but it's hard to understand). Dolphin is the best file manager I have ever used, nothing come close nowadays (I have tested windows and macs). The desktop configuration is quite nice and the…

If you're ever on Windows and want a slimmed down Dolphin, run:

    winget install KDE.Dolphin

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

#169

Post by heavyset_go »

bovermyer wrote: post #96

With this hitting multiple communications media for me independently over the last few hours, it has me considering whether I can switch from Windows to Linux for my gaming PC again. Last time I tried, I used Ubuntu, and I experienced problems with several games via Proton (e.g., The Finals, Fields of Mistria, and Civilization VII, among others). I checked ProtonDB, and it looks like those issues may be resolved. How…

You can use OneDrive and Dropbox on Linux, but to answer your question: Nextcloud

Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser

#170

Post by bovermyer »

heavyset_go wrote: post #169
bovermyer wrote: post #96

With this hitting multiple communications media for me independently over the last few hours, it has me considering whether I can switch from Windows to Linux for my gaming PC again. Last time I tried, I used Ubuntu, and I experienced problems with several games via Proton (e.g., The Finals, Fields of Mistria, and Civilization VII, among others). I checked ProtonDB, and it looks like those issues may be resolved. How…

You can use OneDrive and Dropbox on Linux, but to answer your question: Nextcloud

Several people now have recommended Nextcloud as hosted by Hetzner. I will have to look into this.
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