"Good artists borrow; great artists steal."
So Samsung are even better artists than Apple?
Regardless of the context I'd actually say yes.
Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
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Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
you must have missed that whole Apple v Samsung fiasco that just finished
I followed it closely. "Design" patents in general are ridiculous.
They are. It's just ironic this is happening.
Honestly, I'm expecting these things to happen more and more as people look at Apple with a finer-tooth'd comb, what with the general view of Apple gradually diminishing.
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#163No, no, no you guys don't understand. This is not a cheap rip-off. It's an homage and the Swiss will be honoured that their famous clock has been elevated to the high-art status of Apple design and innovation. The critical eye of an average iPhone user will appreciate the fine craftsmanship & precision of the painstaking work that went into translating the iconic clock into an exact digital replica.
Sorry, I don't understand the satire here. It sounds like you're mimicking the response to claims that Apple stole designs from Braun? But the two situations are nothing alike -- cribbing industrial design elements from defunct products is a far cry from duplicating a trademarked image more or less exactly. It seems more likely you're trying to dig on Apple for going thermonuclear on trade dress while at the same tim…
I'm not sure the SBB will sue Apple. Their relationship is a little bit more complex than mere two unrelated companies:
Some context: The iPhone has a huge penetration rate in Switzerland (2.9 million devices sold for a population of 8 million people). Switzerland also has very good public transportation, held together by the train system of the SBB. And therefore, almost every iPhone user has the SBB Mobile App installed (http://itunes.apple.com/ch/app/sbb-mobile/id294855237?mt=8), 60-80% from what I heard. Which would put the install base to 1.5 to 2 million installations.
The elephant in the room is now this: Within this app, you are able to buy tickets. Train tickets, bus tickets, boat tickets. Not via in-app purchases, everything goes through the SBB ticketing system.
This has been working for three years now. Apple never blocked the app, despite it being in violation of some of the more prominent rules of the App Store.
My sources within SBB claim that there is no special agreement in place, mere toleration by Apple. I don't know if that's true, but one thing is for certain: The SBB has little interest of fighting with Apple on this front.
And Apple might not want to alienate such a huge user base, who would probably feel more loyalty to the SBB than to Apple, but that's pure speculation on my part.
On the other hand is the SBB fiercly proud of their design achievments, the clock in particular. Maybe that part of the SBB company (30 000 employees) doesn't care about electronic ticketing and will pursue Apple anyway.
Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#164The Swiss railway has contacted Apple, who have yet to respond. At that point, when Apple respond, we'll know whether they're hypocrites or not. If they refuse to change the design or licence it, they are. Should they have copied it in the first place? No. They were wrong to do it and they need to make amends. Is this similar to the Samsung case? Let's see, we have 400 page Samsung documents explaining in minute deta…
Apple's the one trying to claim the high ground here and Apple's the one going on the offensive with their design patent suits so it's only right that we hold them to a higher standard. This is the same reason that the iPhone 5 and iOS 6 are receiving so much criticism. When you strut around in public trumpeting your deep cultural devotion to innovation and use shaky patents to get competitors products yanked off she…
To your first point, agreed. They need to come clean and make good.
I don't see what this has got to do with any general criticism of the iPhone 5 or iOS 6 though.
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hypocrisy is the antithesis of the golden rule, which is why I tend to have a problem with it. It's not anything that automatically refutes someones arguments, it just tells me that when it comes to that subject, they're an asshole. And when someone is being an asshole, I just don't care about their arguments.
>And when someone is being an asshole, I just don't care about their arguments. But that's too bad. Better to do what a hypocrite proposes if it's the right thing, than to ignore it because of what he does. Here's a nice article on the topic: There are many reasons a charge of hypocrisy might be reactionary and counter-productive. First of all, the hypocrisy mindset pays too much attention to people's personal lives…
This is a great post. I've been listening to the podcast "Back To Work" and Merlin has a similar view:
>"I think the concern of hypocrisy keeps us small. It keeps our world small, it keeps our horizons limited, and it keeps our self-worth as low as it can conceivably go. Because we’re defining ourselves in large part by what other people claim that we are. When the truth is, we’re all a goddamn mess. [...] The people who obsess most about hypocrisy are the people who are least willing to change. They have the least room to change. If you set yourself up as this paragon of perfection, then you have a lot to lose by being shown as anything but 100%. But, like, once you allow yourself to be imperfect in this weird wabi-sabi way, your world gets a lot bigger."
Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#166No, no, no you guys don't understand. This is not a cheap rip-off. It's an homage and the Swiss will be honoured that their famous clock has been elevated to the high-art status of Apple design and innovation. The critical eye of an average iPhone user will appreciate the fine craftsmanship & precision of the painstaking work that went into translating the iconic clock into an exact digital replica.
Sorry, I don't understand the satire here. It sounds like you're mimicking the response to claims that Apple stole designs from Braun? But the two situations are nothing alike -- cribbing industrial design elements from defunct products is a far cry from duplicating a trademarked image more or less exactly. It seems more likely you're trying to dig on Apple for going thermonuclear on trade dress while at the same tim…
Hey, Apple went after a freaking groceries store for using the Apl name in some other country. If they can do that, I think the watch company can and should go after Apple for doing this. And yes, this is shameless hypocrisy.
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#167w00t! Billion dollar lawsuit! Seriously how else can a watch company make big bucks today?
Ask Rolex, Breitling, Hublot, they all seem to be running out of cash
Apple's profits are very down-to-earth compared to some of these brands
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#168haha...FUCK U TOO APPLE!
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#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm pretty sure you can buy them from inside the SBB ticket centers, but you can at least buy wrist watches from mondaine: http://www.mondaine.com/mondaine/ edit: Looks like you can buy the wall clocks online from SBB itself http://www.sbbshop.ch/pub/index.php?page=goods&c=8&s...
They do not start/stop.
I'm certain I've seen clocks which pause on the minute like the stop-to-go ones sold in rail enthusiast magazines, railway museum gift shops etc. many years ago. Obviously, they don't include an actual stop-to-go master/slave system, they just fake it.
Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hypocrisy is the antithesis of the golden rule, which is why I tend to have a problem with it. It's not anything that automatically refutes someones arguments, it just tells me that when it comes to that subject, they're an asshole. And when someone is being an asshole, I just don't care about their arguments.
>And when someone is being an asshole, I just don't care about their arguments. But that's too bad. Better to do what a hypocrite proposes if it's the right thing, than to ignore it because of what he does. Here's a nice article on the topic: There are many reasons a charge of hypocrisy might be reactionary and counter-productive. First of all, the hypocrisy mindset pays too much attention to people's personal lives…
Sounds like the end result could have been avoided had the "visionary" simply not been hypocritical and avoided doing "a bad thing".