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Re: Social Cooling (2017)

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Post by sadeshmukh »

immibis wrote: post #109
diggan wrote: post #77

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Meh, as long as you're contributing more than you upset people, it seems to balance itself out. I've made some egregious comments in the past (judging by the downvotes at least), yet you can still see this comment and probably my future ones too. And even though some comments I've made been downvoted, they've stilled spawned interesting conversations, so I count that as a win regardless.

HN has not just self-reinforcing consensus through karma, but also imposed false consensus through moderation decisions. I've just been informed that flagging and voting from my account have been disabled (they appear to work, but don't actually do anything) because I didn't flag all political sides in equal numbers. It seems my account has been identified as "a side", therefore is subject to equality requirements. M…

Informed by who?

Re: Social Cooling (2017)

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Post by jacquesm »

drivebyhooting wrote: post #132
jacquesm wrote: post #81

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This massively depends on where you are located and on the school itself. A 5 km difference can be a completely different world. When we moved in 2018 one of my kids could not immediately go to the school we favored. But the other one could and then in the next year the fact that he already had a brother in that school would give him preferred access. Those two schools could not have been different. The one was an en…

I’m awed that you can be so sanguine when speaking about the abuse your son suffered and the lifelong consequences. I’d be livid and frothing with vitriol.

I am not sanguine about it, I just want to make sure that the idea that all schools are beds of roses today does not take hold because I've seen first hand that this is not the case. And if that can happen in a wealthy part of a wealthy country it can happen just about everywhere. In the meantime I've done what I could to offset the difference and am still working hard to make sure my kids get all of the chances in life that they deserve. But detours can and do happen, you won't be able to fix it by head-on confrontation so you have to fix it through other means, which usually translate into spending time and money.

Re: Social Cooling (2017)

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Post by rexpop »

softwaredoug wrote: post #133

This site makes the wrong conclusion. People game their social scores by being provocative edgelords. There’s almost no incentive on social media to conform. And every incentive to stand out. Just look around at our political situation, you see far less conformity, and extremes in political expression. We even elected President Edgelord.

> People game their social scores by being provocative edgelords.

Sure, some people are shooting that moon, but that's a tiny fraction of the rest—let alone the lurkers—who are keen on maintaining employment and wedding invitations.

Re: Social Cooling (2017)

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Post by scoopdewoop »

zaphar wrote: post #160
scoopdewoop wrote: post #154

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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-border-patrol-raid-sweep... Is this a source you approve of? I am in good faith, I'm sorry that discussions about reality are impolite and seem crass. These aren't non-plausible, its reality. I'm guessing your mom doesn't place herself in situations like being in poverty in Chicago. Lucky her

There are plenty of people in poverty who do not put themselves in a postion to have a government put guns in their face. It is not poverty by and large that causes a government to put guns in their face in America. Poverty may at times be used as a justification for the actual reason that a gun was put in their face but it is not in fact the reason. Neither is it in the general case a good justification either.

What are you talking about? Literally, what?

Because I just linked a source: As part of the raid, some U.S. citizens were temporarily detained and children pulled from their beds, according to interviews with residents and news reports. Building hallways were still littered with debris two days later.

What was these citizens crime besides living in apartments in Chicago? Flash bangs, guns, zip ties, and being detained until proven innocent. What did they do to put themselves in that position? Was I wrong to say its poverty?

Or do you mean they should have been rural poor? Or white and poor? What was their trespass?

I'm not talking about "by and large", I'm not talking about "may at times". These are real lives of citizens with "inalienable rights"

If you think state sanctioned violence is permissible, tell it to Nuremberg

Re: Social Cooling (2017)

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Post by AuthAuth »

martin-t wrote: post #150
nathan_compton wrote: post #137

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People say this but is it true? Young people, for instance, increasingly say that political violence may be justified. That doesn't sound like a safe opinion.

Do they say it in public or private? Because yesterday I learned that 30% of Americans think political violence may be necessary to fix the country[0], which was gathered from anonymous polls I presume, yet I see almost none of it online and certainly not in mainstream media. And the censorship is certainly not helping. My friend got multiple warnings and temporary bans on reddit for suggesting that: - The only hope…

> yesterday I learned that 30% of Americans think political violence may be necessary to fix the country[0], which was gathered from anonymous polls I presume, yet I see almost none of it online and certainly not in mainstream media.

They are absolutely saying it in public and private. I hold that opinion and so does every politically engaged person i know. Its heavily censored on the mainstream platforms but you can see the messages conveying this sentiment in a semi coded way.

Re: Social Cooling (2017)

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Post by tuyosvawnt »

AuthAuth wrote: post #165
martin-t wrote: post #150

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Do they say it in public or private? Because yesterday I learned that 30% of Americans think political violence may be necessary to fix the country[0], which was gathered from anonymous polls I presume, yet I see almost none of it online and certainly not in mainstream media. And the censorship is certainly not helping. My friend got multiple warnings and temporary bans on reddit for suggesting that: - The only hope…

> yesterday I learned that 30% of Americans think political violence may be necessary to fix the country[0], which was gathered from anonymous polls I presume, yet I see almost none of it online and certainly not in mainstream media. They are absolutely saying it in public and private. I hold that opinion and so does every politically engaged person i know. Its heavily censored on the mainstream platforms but you can…

A podcast bro cites scripture saying queers need to get stoned, he gets a stone to the neck himself. "Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast the First". Badda bing badda boom. Lotta angry people.

Re: Social Cooling (2017)

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Post by watwut »

martin-t wrote: post #151
baxtr wrote: post #69

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My best friend from school days has a son who’s now in 7th grade. Recently, when we were talking about him, we realised his school years are far less dramatic than ours. We had drama, lots of bullying, tears, fights, and mean things were done. In contrast, his son’s school days are absolutely harmless and benign. I know it’s n = 1 and maybe we were very unlucky back then. But it also makes me wonder if any chaotic ex…

From what I've seen, all that has happened is that aggressors ("bullies") are better at hiding it. When it was OK to beat somebody up (for pleasure or social status), they did that. Now, violence is being painted as the greatest evil. So instead they get pleasure and gain social status by less visible kinds of aggression, such as verbal, social and online abuse. And, worse, the victims have a harder time fighting bac…

Verbal and social abuse always went hand in hand with the physical one. Physical bullying is just one tactic bullies used. The same bully that beats a guy always mocked the same guy and badmouthed him to others.

I am old enough to remember that bullying victims were blamed back then. The victim blaming was not a term yet, they were blamed for not fighting back. But if they fought back they were also blamed for the resulting ruckus.

The primary reason was that dealing with bully is hard. Blaming victim is easy.

Re: Social Cooling (2017)

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Post by immibis »

sadeshmukh wrote: post #161
immibis wrote: post #109

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HN has not just self-reinforcing consensus through karma, but also imposed false consensus through moderation decisions. I've just been informed that flagging and voting from my account have been disabled (they appear to work, but don't actually do anything) because I didn't flag all political sides in equal numbers. It seems my account has been identified as "a side", therefore is subject to equality requirements. M…

Informed by who?

By dang, the moderator, via email.

Re: Social Cooling (2017)

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Post by toomim »

tuyosvawnt wrote: post #166
AuthAuth wrote: post #165

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> yesterday I learned that 30% of Americans think political violence may be necessary to fix the country[0], which was gathered from anonymous polls I presume, yet I see almost none of it online and certainly not in mainstream media. They are absolutely saying it in public and private. I hold that opinion and so does every politically engaged person i know. Its heavily censored on the mainstream platforms but you can…

A podcast bro cites scripture saying queers need to get stoned, he gets a stone to the neck himself. "Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast the First". Badda bing badda boom. Lotta angry people.

You're making a debunked claim that takes his statement out of context to make it sound like the opposite of what he actually said.

https://x.com/StephenKing/status/1966474125616013664

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-dMa3rIcjY

https://youtu.be/1pteZE5FpNc?si=UG2jJZovGldIJKJ0&t=1559

This has the effect of whipping up political anger and violence against people based on false pretenses. You are an embodiment of the problem.

Re: Social Cooling (2017)

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Post by toomim »

evilduck wrote: post #159
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #138

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>Young people, for instance, increasingly say that political violence may be justified This is gonna get downvoted for sure because HNs bias, but based on current events, it's only the left that does that. Right-wingers may say hurtful words but don't seem too keen on murdering opponents for political reasons or disagreements. At least not yet.

You're gonna get downvoted for being a bad liar and an obvious troll who degrades the conversation and the overall site, not because of bias. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melissa_Hortman Getting yourself downvoted doesn't validate your lies either. Farming downvotes isn't being clever, it's being toxic.

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