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Thanks Mr. Jobs, But it Seems I Can Use a Linux Laptop Now

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Re: Thanks Mr. Jobs, But it Seems I Can Use a Linux Laptop Now

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Post by eropple »

X-Istence wrote: post #57
eropple wrote: post #4

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Terminal.app often feels sort of clunky to me. I use iTerm2 instead--being able to split panes is really nice (no, I don't want to use tmux). The default userland is kind of annoying, in that a lot of utilities are BSD ones and aren't compatible with my imported-from-Linux scripts, aliases, etc., but that's just an install of coreutils away.

Yeah, I get annoyed too when people use Linuxisms in scripts because they don't ever run right on FreeBSD.

"ls --color=auto" is not what I consider a "Linuxism", it's what I consider "basic functionality" (and yes I'm quite aware of BSD ls's -G, but it doesn't honor my other custom settings). I have no interest in rewriting all of my rc files and scripts to support BSD tools because doing so is a significant investment of time better spent elsewhere, moreso because of the simpler, easier option of installing GNU coreutils and findutils.

I'm glad you could migrate your snark from Reddit, but it doesn't do a lot for a real conversation.

Re: Thanks Mr. Jobs, But it Seems I Can Use a Linux Laptop Now

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Post by rogerbinns »

AngryParsley wrote: post #22
rogerbinns wrote: post #14

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One thing I don't like is you can't completely clear the scrollback, only the visible portion. I often use 'tput reset' when doing new build/test runs and it is nice when the scrollback only contains this time's output.

Cmd + k clears scrollback how you want. If you want to script it, you can use osascript: http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/31872/how-do-i-rese... Yeah, it's hacky. It's a usability trade-off. Defaulting to allow scripts to erase all your scrollback would be pretty annoying in a lot of cases. Ideally there would be a checkbox for this behavior, but Apple doesn't like config options. One thing I wish terminals h…

They are my scripts and I don't need "protection" from myself. Users don't use the command line so it isn't particular relevant to them - this is relevant to developers.

I fully agree it shouldn't be an option, and that generally being highly configurable is a way of abdicating responsibility for making the right choices in the first place, and ensures that not everything is tested (there will be too many combinations of settings).

In this particular case I just think Apple chose the wrong behaviour.

Re: Thanks Mr. Jobs, But it Seems I Can Use a Linux Laptop Now

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Post by esolyt »

sp332 wrote: post #135
esolyt wrote: post #91

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If you like the hardware, try Linux on a Macbook. Ubuntu works perfect on the latest Macbook Air, even better than OSX in some ways.

It doesn't work so well on the retina MBP though, and it might take months to get the drivers to work with the weird things Apple did to the Thunderbolt firmware.

I don't use Thunderbolt so I never noticed. But everything other than that should work perfectly.

Re: Thanks Mr. Jobs, But it Seems I Can Use a Linux Laptop Now

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Post by sp332 »

esolyt wrote: post #163
sp332 wrote: post #135

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It doesn't work so well on the retina MBP though, and it might take months to get the drivers to work with the weird things Apple did to the Thunderbolt firmware.

I don't use Thunderbolt so I never noticed. But everything other than that should work perfectly.

It won't even boot unless you add noapic to the kernel line in your boot loader. And that's just the beginning... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=apple...

Re: Thanks Mr. Jobs, But it Seems I Can Use a Linux Laptop Now

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Post by WiseWeasel »

cloudwalking wrote: post #165
WiseWeasel wrote: post #61

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Yah, except he'd be 70% SOL.

Na, Chromebooks have a full terminal built in.

Interesting; I did not know that was possible. But can you install AMP and do web dev on it? That's what the author was using it for.

Re: Thanks Mr. Jobs, But it Seems I Can Use a Linux Laptop Now

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Post by headShrinker »

You had me until here "with some kernel patches, and some patched packages for sleep and hibernation. After an hour of struggling with making a bootable USB drive from my Mac for my Dell"

I know how this goes. There is untold functionality that is broken. Likely you might not know what until later. Updating your OS will likely be a bitch. I like so many other people, don't have time to patch my computer and patch my servers, and patch my phone. I just need shit that works. I am willing to pay for that.

Re: Thanks Mr. Jobs, But it Seems I Can Use a Linux Laptop Now

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Post by fierarul »

takluyver wrote: post #109
fierarul wrote: post #62

> Two days ago I got my Dell XPS 13 as part of a Dell beta progam called project Sputnik. This makes it unclear if I can actually buy this thing (in Europe). >I got a special version of Ubuntu, with some kernel patches, and some patched packages for sleep and hibernation. Why isn't this in the official Ubuntu distro? I don't trust binaries from Dell.

Looks like they're bringing forward some fixes that the regular kernel is more cautious with. That makes sense, because they only have to worry about one set of hardware. There are PPAs with the patched packages: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-hwe-team/+archive/sputnik-k... https://launchpad.net/~canonical-hwe-team/+archive/sputnik-p...

Hm, I guess it's better seing that it's Canonical doing the patches although I would prefer for these things to be part of the upstream kernel or at least of the official Ubuntu ISO.

Right now the http://hwe.ubuntu.com/uds-q/dellxps/ link warns you "this image is not considered an official Ubuntu release"; "this image is for demo purposes only". Not very reassuring.

Still, it does put the Dell XPS on my watch list.

Re: Thanks Mr. Jobs, But it Seems I Can Use a Linux Laptop Now

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Post by eropple »

Argorak wrote: post #5
eropple wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Terminal.app often feels sort of clunky to me. I use iTerm2 instead--being able to split panes is really nice (no, I don't want to use tmux). The default userland is kind of annoying, in that a lot of utilities are BSD ones and aren't compatible with my imported-from-Linux scripts, aliases, etc., but that's just an install of coreutils away.

By the way, if you want to get the benefits of tmux with respect to attach, detach, but want to manage splits and tabs using the Terminal, iTerm2 has you covered: http://code.google.com/p/iterm2/wiki/TmuxIntegration

It does, but I'm still not a fan. I find its attach/detach on remote servers a little wonky.

Re: Thanks Mr. Jobs, But it Seems I Can Use a Linux Laptop Now

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Post by [deleted] »

AncientPC wrote: post #138
gpapilion wrote: post #33

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So, specifically: 1. 4 hours depending on workload(sort of an air form factor with a core-i7). 2. Yes, all supported, and still using my apple magic mouse. Used Skype, Vidyo, and Google Hangouts. 3. Can't say for sure, no reboots so far, wakes just fine. 4. Using an external monitor at work with my apple display port -> dvi adapter, so pretty much worked no problem. I was worried about the display being lower res tha…

Just to add another data point, Arch Linux on X220: 1. 4-6 hrs with 6 cell battery. 2. Yes, Intel everything (HD4000, wireless, etc). 3. Yes, 1 resume crash total this year. 4. Yes, attached to external monitor via DisplayPort -> DVI right now. 5. Never tested. 6. Small, crappy. I'm one of those guys who disables the touch pad in favor of TrackPoint though. 7. Much better IMO, not a fan of chiclet style and Apple's "…

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