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Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Been saying it for YEARS: 95% of VPNs sell your data. It's where they make their money. It's absolutely insane the push-back I get when I say this online. I get downvoted to hell and back. Source: I bought this data from VPN companies... Hell, you can inject ads and surveys if you want!

what VPN companies?

And what types of data?

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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I’m not a big expert on the VPN tech side, but it always seemed to me that the most logical option for those that actually understand about VPN is Proton, or am I missing something here?

Company who's blog post this is ain't bad either if you're looking for a non-ecosystem VPN. Proton is trying to be Nord and create an ecosystem of products that store all your most private data, all under the umbrella of 1 company which defeats the whole point of a VPN who should have no data on you (not even an email). PS. I'm from the company who's blog post this is.

> Proton is trying to be Nord

I feel like it's Nord who's trying to be Proton but worse, no? Nord had just the VPN until recently, unlike Proton which was already trying to build an ecosystem (although they did speed up the new product drops significantly in the past few years). And unlike Nord, at least Proton actually has proper zero-access encryption and stuff, and they seem to know what they're talking about rather than just relying on influencer marketing.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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If you’re worried about your VPN provider but you can trust your VPS provider, try an SSH Tunnel. https://joeldare.com/ssh-tunnels-my-vpn-alternative-for-priv...

Thanks for the link. How does this work on the server side? It gets packets on 8080 and then what? The article needs to explain the server config, even if it is just how to install ssh-server. I have tried setting up OpenVPN on my own VPS and I didn't get very far with it. I have also had to use OpenVPN in the day job and I much prefer just using ssh without some extravagant OpenVPN layer. My experience of failing to…

There are very simple options to selfhost a VPN nowadays. For example, Amnezia allows you to just type your server ssh credentials into their mobile app, and it will automatically set up AmneziaWG on your server and add it to the app. You can then create Amnezia or plain WireGuard config files from extra devices right from there.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Is there any other real world usecases for VPN nowadays other than: 1. Getting access to geolocked data 2. Torrenting "Linux ISOs" ?

In Germany (and probably in the UK too), you now have to be very careful about what you write online. There is actually a section 188 that makes insulting, defaming, or slandering people in political life a criminal offense. You can now face heavy fines for minor insults (“idiot”) or even have your home searched. A VPN can be useful here.

If anyone wants some background info on the "idiot" comment:

A Bavarian man captioned an image of Robert Habeck (the vice chancellor of Germany at the time) with "Schwachkopf Professional" - "Professional Idiot". It was styled after the Schwarzkopf ad campaign. For this, Habeck filed a criminal complaint "to stop hate crime" against the man and the man's apartment was searched by the police and a tablet confiscated. Oh, and he was arrested over it as well. [0]

(The man was also accused of posting some nazi imagery earlier in the year, but the order to search his house seems to be related only to the insult. [1])

Imagine if you could be arrested for calling your (vice) president an idiot.

[0] https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-...

[1] https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/falschaussage-im-fall-sc... (it's in German)

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Company who's blog post this is ain't bad either if you're looking for a non-ecosystem VPN. Proton is trying to be Nord and create an ecosystem of products that store all your most private data, all under the umbrella of 1 company which defeats the whole point of a VPN who should have no data on you (not even an email). PS. I'm from the company who's blog post this is.

> Proton is trying to be Nord I feel like it's Nord who's trying to be Proton but worse, no? Nord had just the VPN until recently, unlike Proton which was already trying to build an ecosystem (although they did speed up the new product drops significantly in the past few years). And unlike Nord, at least Proton actually has proper zero-access encryption and stuff, and they seem to know what they're talking about rath…

Proton used to have mail, they they launched a VPN. Then cloud storage, then password manager, then docs + calendar, then wallet, now also AI and MFA app. They're following literally in Nord's footsteps, all Nord needs to do is launch a mail service and the circle is complete.

Proton is doing influencer marketing now too btw. Parallels are uncanny. All this while claiming to fight Google/big tech, but essentially offering the same products that store the same personal data.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Can anyone give info on who owns Trust.Zone VPN? The company saves all credentials and doesn't allow the user to generate anything, such as Wireguard private keys. The service is very likely logging everything, and already admits to logging bandwidth, which is severe enough.

Wouldn't be surprised if this was a honeypot for logging Russian internet users, as it appears to cater to Eastern users.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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post #6

Been saying it for YEARS: 95% of VPNs sell your data. It's where they make their money. It's absolutely insane the push-back I get when I say this online. I get downvoted to hell and back. Source: I bought this data from VPN companies... Hell, you can inject ads and surveys if you want!

> Source: I bought this data from VPN companies

I'm more interested in this part - how does that work? Do you just reach out to them directly and ask "hey, let me buy your user data"? Or is there some sort of service they offer?

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Is there any other real world usecases for VPN nowadays other than: 1. Getting access to geolocked data 2. Torrenting "Linux ISOs" ?

My vpn bypasses the paywall on the public xfinitywifi hotspots making internet essentially free because I would likely being paying for Mullvad regardless.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So did you sell pia? Why won’t you sell your next venture ?

I did not sell PIA. I entered into a merger agreement to create a publicly owned privacy company. Without getting into detail, I left the company on principle receiving only 1/3rd of the value for the shares.

Why?
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