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Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by lurk2 »

wiether wrote: post #52
elAhmo wrote: post #37

> The ICO also confirmed that companies could not avoid accountability by withdrawing their services in the UK. This is quite a slippery slope. If I host a website in one country, I do not necessarily care where people access my website from. It is not like I actively provide a service to them - they just use internet (decentralised network) to access it. What if I publish a newspaper here, someone takes it where the…

It appears that you are mixing things here. It's not about "hosting a website", it's about providing services. If you provide services, like selling a newspaper, in the UK, you need to respect their laws, or you will suffer the legal implications of not doing so. And regarding the accountability, it refers to the fact that imgur USED TO provide services in the UK: > We have been clear that exiting the UK does not all…

> that imgur USED TO provide services in the UK

Meaning that the servers were located in the UK, or that the users were, or both?

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by trinsic2 »

KaiserPro wrote: post #125
noir_lord wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same - frankly google/alphabet should just HTTP 451 the UK (and I say that as a brit/someone in the UK). It'd be interesting to see how fast the policy would get reversed then. This was always a stupid policy and so protesting it by pulling services is one way to draw attention to that.

I do worry that the ability of people to understand that there is more than one law that affects internet services. the first clue is that its the ICO that is running this. the ICO has nothing to do with the online safety act. Secondly asking a commercial company to conform to basic data protection isn't that onerous. Honestly its almost like HN has tumbler level reading comprehension.

Yeah this is where i am getting mixed up because the article isn't saying what the cause was. I thought it was related to the digital id thing that every site need to make sure they check for minors..

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by baobun »

KaiserPro wrote: post #155
nickslaughter02 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pay this fine if you don't want to be arrested when entering the UK? Not that they plan to after this...

Imgur isn't a person, and the UK gov isn't ICE. The whole point of corporations is that the company is liable, not its employees. also the shareholders are only liable for the money they put in, and not anything else. Convictions in the UK are non-transferable. you can't convict a company, then transfer guilt onto its employees, they need to be tried at the same time.

Are you saying that the Pavel Durov situation wouldn't have been possible in the UK? Seems naive.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by lurk2 »

Analemma_ wrote: post #99
iamnothere wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they run their own ad network, or do the ad networks take the money from advertisers and cut Imgur a check? Maybe instead of trying to enforce your standards on every little site on the internet, you should just focus on the people who actually have a direct point of contact with money coming from UK businesses. (Yes, the ad networks.) It’s completely absurd to say that some hobbyist would have nexus in the UK bec…

The standard you are proposing here ultimately boils down to "you can do business in a country without being subject to its laws, as long as your commercial transactions with the customers in that country are laundered through a sufficiently convoluted network of international companies like payment processors and ad exchanges". I don't think it should be terribly surprising that states don't subscribe to this view o…

The standard you’re proposing would allow Afghanistan to shut down Hacker News on the basis that it provided services to at least one Afghan and the content here violates sharia law.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by oldjim798 »

thw_9a83c wrote: post #44

Following this logic, I suppose that, in the future, cars that cannot automatically detect the presence of a child in a wheelchair and prevent the engine from starting will be banned.

>Following this logic, I suppose that, in the future, cars that cannot automatically detect the presence of a child in a wheelchair and prevent the engine from starting will be banned.

You said this like it is a bad thing, which is baffling? Obviously cars should do this. One of the best things about adding self-driving features is we can add features like this (and speed governors) to make cars a lot safer for everyone.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by crimsoneer »

roenxi wrote: post #9

I suppose this is a serious question - does this mean that in theory HN should ban UK users? Or is HN likely compliant with this law? It is hard to pierce through the Orwellian language in the article (does "safeguarding children’s personal information" mean retaining or deleting the data?).

HN has moderation, won't track you without telling you, and will delete your content if you ask. That's literally all it takes, it's really not that Orwellian

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by baobun »

sammy2255 wrote: post #38

How do you "pull out" of the UK if you are not a UK company, you are a US company, hosted in the US, and proxied by Fastly. There's nothing to do? You do not need to abide by UK laws, even if your website is accessible from there.

It means to stop doing business there. For example selling ads targeting UK users to UK advertisers. London banking. Integrating with UK-based data-milking peers.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by lurk2 »

seanhunter wrote: post #53
elAhmo wrote: post #37

> The ICO also confirmed that companies could not avoid accountability by withdrawing their services in the UK. This is quite a slippery slope. If I host a website in one country, I do not necessarily care where people access my website from. It is not like I actively provide a service to them - they just use internet (decentralised network) to access it. What if I publish a newspaper here, someone takes it where the…

You already need to care depending on what you are serving, and this has been the case for at least 20 years to my knowledge. The most obvious example of this is websites from the UK or Europe which operate any kind of gambling. [1] This may well be legal (based on licensing) in their jurisdiction, but they still need to restrict access to prevent US people from accessing the service or they will be breaching the US'…

> but they still need to restrict access to prevent US people from accessing the service or they will be breaching the US's gambling laws.

Why not just avoid travel to the US?

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