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Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%

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Re: Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%

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I haven't dug into all the sources, but I think there's a potential confounder here, or maybe even reverse causality. The author seems to assume causation when the studies only indicate correlation. E.g. the first link says "chronic loneliness increases mortality risk" but the actual source says "actual and perceived social isolation are both associated with increased risk for early mortality". So for example, it's p…

>Recent meta-analyses examining 2.2 million individuals across 90 cohort studies reveal that social isolation and loneliness trigger measurable biological cascades comparable to traditional disease risk factors. Its frustrating, because cohort study experimental designs like these can in principle chip away at reverse causality (i.e. observe loneliness exposure before a cardiovascular disease prognosis, compare diffe…

Having a spouse or friend nag you into going to the doctor is undoubtably a part of the effect, both for the practical side and for the feeling that someone would care if you were ill. (Assuming this is what you mean by "issues with medical participation.")

Re: Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%

#163

I haven't dug into all the sources, but I think there's a potential confounder here, or maybe even reverse causality. The author seems to assume causation when the studies only indicate correlation. E.g. the first link says "chronic loneliness increases mortality risk" but the actual source says "actual and perceived social isolation are both associated with increased risk for early mortality". So for example, it's p…

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/loneliness-poses-health-...

Re: Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%

#164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an atheist, but I do wish I could go to church, or at least something like that. I've tried going to other non-religious clubs but it's not really the same. A pottery class just doesn't give that same feeling of "belonging". The trouble is it just seems a bit too serious every time I've been. I don't believe any of it, and I can't believe anyone with intelligence could believe it either. But unlike, say, WWE-styl…

I think the issue you're having is that taking it way too seriously is exactly what creates the feeling of belonging. There's a number of forums or clubs where one might discuss morality, myth, creation stories etc more like wrestling - fantasy roleplaying groups and fantasy writing circles often do include those themes for instance. But it's harder to feel true belonging through discussing whether your bard is an as…

> But it's harder to feel true belonging through discussing whether your bard is an asshole for sleeping with a gold-hoarding dragon if you're 100% aware that neither bards or dragons exist.

But that's how it works at church. I've met plenty of people who go to church/mosque/temple and do all the god stuff there but then when it comes to it they're not stupid and behave like normal people in other situations. I've drunk wine with muslims, slept with Christians etc. The trouble is there will always be some people who don't get the joke and will take it seriously. Like the people who believe in the flat earth conspiracy now. It makes me really uncomfortable to enable something that can really ruin people's lives.

> Looks like a club based on that would work better for you.

Like I said, clubs aren't really the same. Probably because there's no "moral imperative" to go to a club (fake obviously but everyone plays along). Also the kind of clubs I would go to would be full of weirdos like me. My hobbies are best done solo.

Re: Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%

#165

I haven't dug into all the sources, but I think there's a potential confounder here, or maybe even reverse causality. The author seems to assume causation when the studies only indicate correlation. E.g. the first link says "chronic loneliness increases mortality risk" but the actual source says "actual and perceived social isolation are both associated with increased risk for early mortality". So for example, it's p…

> If this were the case, we could defend claims like "autism increases mortality", because we already know that autism increases social isolation.

Are you aware that life expectancy is much lower for peel with autism than the general public?

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6713622/

Re: Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%

#166

Germany has great bread, how come did the author have a problem to find good bread? Yes, that's my only issue with the article :)

"moved from Germany to write here "

So missing the good German bread.

Doesn't say where 'here' is.

Re: Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%

#167

I haven't dug into all the sources, but I think there's a potential confounder here, or maybe even reverse causality. The author seems to assume causation when the studies only indicate correlation. E.g. the first link says "chronic loneliness increases mortality risk" but the actual source says "actual and perceived social isolation are both associated with increased risk for early mortality". So for example, it's p…

There is considerable evidence that people who live alone are at greater risk of hospital re-admission, probably because they are less able to care for themselves properly.

Re: Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%

#169

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Honest question: for women, are there any churches or other religious or spiritual traditions that do not limit them or afford them a second-class status relative to other members? (This can be in terms of church elders/leadership positions or just importance in activities, speeches giving women good role models, etc). For instance Catholic traditions usually provide quite a few female role models (not least Mary) bu…

It depends mostly on the denomination, sometimes on the individual church. I'm a man, so maybe I wouldn't notice it, but I've never attended a church where I got the impression that women were second-class citizens. Every church I've ever attended has had women in the pulpit, standing on stage, leading worship, running programs, wrangling volunteers, leading Bible studies, teaching kids, discipling teenagers ... and the list goes on. I've never met a church that could have survived without the women in the congregation, and if any man ever tried to treat them like second-class citizens, I think they were likely too busy running things to notice it.

That's not saying there aren't churches like what you're worried about. It's just that I've attended a pretty good mix of conservative and liberal churches over my 50+ years, and I haven't seen one.

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