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Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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The reality is that wealth is inversely correlated with fertility. As are intelligence, education, secularity, and so on. IQ is a decent proxy for intelligence. What many people don't know is that it's not a raw score, but relative. The mean of a population is always set to 100 and a standard deviation is generally 15 points. So an IQ of 115 means you performed better than 84% of people, one positive standard deviati…

For most of human history wealth was positively correlated with fertility and especially with next generation fertility. The trend has changed in the more recent centuries but it’s not enough to affect us too much evolutionarily (for now).

Bottlenecks of just a few generations should have a huge impact in the longterm, no?

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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This makes sense. I do feel like intelligence has hard limits. Maybe knowledge doesn't have limits but intelligence definitely feels like it has limits. If you consider IQ tests, a lot of it is about seeing a sequence and seeing all possible patterns and then figuring out which one is the most certain/obvious based on the limited sample given. One could imagine all sorts of complex patterns beyond the 'correct answer…

You could imagine that an ever more intelligent person could solve your IQ test pattern puzzle quicker and quicker, or could solve bigger and bigger puzzles of this kind.

Along these lines, I do think that most human problems don't require that much intelligence to solve. There are patterns which are counter-productive and best left unidentified if your goal is to create economic value.

My PoV is that conversations around intelligence should be had alongside conversations about goals.

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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I totally agree that if it’s “just” politics or some purely social situation, then sure, the optimal behaviour is the one that prioritises the group dynamics and social pecking order. Even in practical matters like hunting or war, obeying more senior leaders can have a net positive outcome because of their greater experience, etc… This is likely true in many “low information; high variability” situations… which is a…

(FYI— I’m not trying to be sharp, I’m trying to be direct because many of the autists I know hate people beating around the bush. I apologize if that’s presumptuous.) > The problem is that we have one set of wiring, one set of instincts, and one set of common social behaviours. These just don’t work in “unnatural” scenarios for which we aren’t evolved, such as pure mathematics or computer science. Social behavior is…

> ... Most disagreements in the hard sciences don’t stem from people’s feelings obfuscating math.

I didn't clarify my point sufficiently, we ended up "talking past each other" a bit because of this.

I'm not referring to people within the hard sciences having arguments! That happens, but like you said, typically for good and valid reasons.

I was referring to the general population of office workers and the like, outside of the highly-selective Silicon Valley startup bubble that many HN readers might find themselves in.

> many of the autists I know hate people beating around the bush

I'm not on the spectrum, but I do appreciate "direct" communication!

More to the point, you seem to be in the bubble I mentioned, so you may not even be aware of what a typical large corporate or government office worker's experience is like.

In my $dayjob I regularly see objectively bad projects moving forwards effortlessly with zero resistance. I see dozens of supposedly important people just "going with the flow" and nodding in agreement with their superiors because they're terrified of taking an objective stance against the "tribe leader". There are zero pointed questions asked. No technical analysis of any kind. No objective metrics or numbers, ever. No graphs. No charts. Nothing you might recognise as "science".

Just a few weeks ago I was in a meeting where they were presenting a new network security design that had already been signed off and approved for implementation by dozens of senior leaders including the CIO, CTO, CISO, etc...

This multi-million dollar project was already in motion for six months, and I was the only one to ask pointed questions: "Won't routing all outbound traffic via another cloud provider tank network performance? Won't that result in hairpin networking where we go out and back in to talk to ourselves? Won't this break out server-to-server firewall rules? What about egress bandwidth costs, have they been estimated? Has anyone tested any of this?"

"No, we didn't test it, the vendor selling it to us assured us it was good, its in the top right Gartner magic quadrant, and it has been signed off, so there's no concerns."

Translated: "Authority, authority, authority."

This is what the "rest of the world" is like, the vast majority of the general population out there working in typical jobs.

You yourself said you know "many autists". You're in the 5% highly selected weird corner of the world, probably a startup or something akin to it.

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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I still think it's odd how aspergers disappeared as a label. Made more sense than a spectrum with both really smart people and really stupid ones.

This is a direct result of a push from within the autistic community to stop using eugenicist labels and notions of "more" or "less" autistic. The community is really sensitive to eugenics because of all of the people trying to do eugenics against them and treating them as subhuman. Autism isn't a scalar. One is not more or less autistic than another. It's a multidimensional vector space where each individual has uni…

This happened like 5-10 years ago didn't it? What changed?

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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It is the so-called "autists" who do that. It's become a vanity diagnosis for the rich and powerful. Look at the case of Kanye West https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/sick-people-are-sick There was this study that found that "autists" have 5 different diseases https://www.princeton.edu/news/2025/07/09/major-autism-study... If it wasn't something people were flocking to like neurotypicals that is now a valuable part…

> It's become a vanity diagnosis for the rich and powerful. It hasn't "become" anything and it's completely irrelevant to this discussion, take Kanye's behavior up with him. > There was this study that found that "autists" have 5 different diseases > Funny enough, before autism became a fad there were 5 different conditions for it in the DSM... A few things to unpack: 1. autism isn't a disease, it's a disorder (or a…

Whether is is a subtype or a disorder is political, which is true about everything in mental health and developmental disability.

Personally I have been hurt because a condition that I suffer from and that probably about 5% of people suffer from

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizotypy

This is something I came to understand at the age of 51 where my ability to benefit from that knowledge is limited. I got a psych eval circa 1978 which I'm told was a good quality eval at the time -- they had no idea what I had but knowing what I know now I can attack it with a highlighter and line it up with Meehl's work that was published in 1962 but failed (and still fails) to be translated into practice.

Given that 5-10% of people have this condition, some will be misdiagnosed as "autistic", others will not be diagnosed at all. Kids with my condition will have to wait another 45 years for answers and I blame the "autism" epidemic.

And don't get me started on the other fashionable neurodivergence by which the children of the rich and powerful can get performance enhancing drugs and extra time on the test.

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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I have worked very closely with some autistic people and they were very smart in a human dictionary type way- knew a huge amount of facts but hit a wall very hard with higher levels of abstraction. Two things I see as required for cutting edge math or physics are intellectual humility and a lot of intuitive feeling for how to approach problems. Another way to say this would be not missing the forest for the trees.

It's kind of wild how the same traits (hyperfocus, detail orientation, pattern sensitivity) can be superpowers in some contexts but limiting in others that require leaps of intuition or comfort with ambiguity

Yeah I am slower, clumsier and somewhat worse with memorizing details but still the person that is called in when there is something novel that requires cutting through multiple levels and using judgement. Though I am extremely thankful for my autistic coworkers since we complement each other as a team.

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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> It's become a vanity diagnosis for the rich and powerful. It hasn't "become" anything and it's completely irrelevant to this discussion, take Kanye's behavior up with him. > There was this study that found that "autists" have 5 different diseases > Funny enough, before autism became a fad there were 5 different conditions for it in the DSM... A few things to unpack: 1. autism isn't a disease, it's a disorder (or a…

Whether is is a subtype or a disorder is political, which is true about everything in mental health and developmental disability. Personally I have been hurt because a condition that I suffer from and that probably about 5% of people suffer from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizotypy This is something I came to understand at the age of 51 where my ability to benefit from that knowledge is limited. I got a psych eva…

Oops late to the tussle with identarians.

>Andersen suggests that a tradeoff exists in predictive processing, where giving higher weight to prediction errors prevents the detection of false patterns (i.e. apophenia) at the cost of being unable to detect higher level patterns, and giving lower weight to prediction errors allows for the detection of higher level patterns at the cost of occasionally detecting patterns that don't exist, as in delusions and hallucinations that occur in schizotypy.

Personally: I focus on the anhedonia because ime the other schizotypists* (&, less commonly, diagnosed autists) seem to have it, and, as I might have mentioned before, negative affect in combo with some other traits tends to attract bullies/certain sadists/karens/well just friggin identarians and not fellow autists/schizos whatever :)

(*As far as I'm concerned the founding stoics were simply rationalizing their anhedonia, so they needed rich and powerful patrons to take that practice to the masses. Former-day VC and unis, as it were)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45418765

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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You could imagine that an ever more intelligent person could solve your IQ test pattern puzzle quicker and quicker, or could solve bigger and bigger puzzles of this kind.

Along these lines, I do think that most human problems don't require that much intelligence to solve. There are patterns which are counter-productive and best left unidentified if your goal is to create economic value. My PoV is that conversations around intelligence should be had alongside conversations about goals.

> My PoV is that conversations around intelligence should be had alongside conversations about goals.

Well, one definition of intelligence is something along the lines of 'better able to achieve your goals (holding resources available constant)'.

Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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> It's become a vanity diagnosis for the rich and powerful. It hasn't "become" anything and it's completely irrelevant to this discussion, take Kanye's behavior up with him. > There was this study that found that "autists" have 5 different diseases > Funny enough, before autism became a fad there were 5 different conditions for it in the DSM... A few things to unpack: 1. autism isn't a disease, it's a disorder (or a…

Whether is is a subtype or a disorder is political, which is true about everything in mental health and developmental disability. Personally I have been hurt because a condition that I suffer from and that probably about 5% of people suffer from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizotypy This is something I came to understand at the age of 51 where my ability to benefit from that knowledge is limited. I got a psych eva…

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