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UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by bamboozled »

reaperducer wrote: post #155
madeofpalk wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm somewhat indifferent to the concept of a Digital ID. The problem is that the UK government's reason for introducing it doesn't make sense - to 'solve' illegal workers, when the UK already has a (digital) system for proving right to work https://www.gov.uk/prove-right-to-work/get-a-share-code-onli...

I'm somewhat indifferent to the concept of a Digital ID. The problem is that the UK government's reason for introducing it doesn't make sense - to 'solve' illegal workers, when the UK already has a (digital) system for proving right to work I saw some British politicians discussing this on Sky last week, and I really don't see the point of the British digital ID. They say having yet another new ID number will make th…

Sky is a really right wing partisan channel though, ofc they are going to say negative things about the incumbent government or basically anything it does.

Not to say the idea is good or bad, but how people watch hyper-partisan media and draw any conclusions from it is beyond me.

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by beeflet »

userbinator wrote: post #144
SilverElfin wrote: post #2

After seeing NUMEROUS video of UK police showing up at doorsteps like the gestapo, arresting or citing or intimidating people who are simply practicing free speech, I don’t think anyone should support the government with a pathway to de-anonymize the web. Even if you support the current government, such powers will be used against you at some point.

AIUI "practicing free speech" is mainly a US thing that doesn't map cleanly to other countries.

It should

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by bpye »

0xy wrote: post #132
jen729w wrote: post #129

I don't trust the UK government either. But I'm both British and Australian and I see the need for a centralised identity service. Because the alternative is that we provide our passport to every online service that 'needs' to verify our identity. Then – lo, would you believe it! – they get hacked, and now all of our data is in the wild again . I'd much rather the government, who already know everything about me beca…

Your mistake is assuming good faith on behalf of the government who arrests thousands of people for social media posts. Beyond faith, they are incredibly incompetent and this data will be stolen.

Just because it’s social media doesn’t excuse inciting violence or hate speech. I’m not going to claim that every arrest in the UK due to social media posts was just, but I also disagree that social media should permit unrestricted speech.

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by reaperducer »

skeletal88 wrote: post #80
dijit wrote: post #3

As well as the Estonia eID system works (aside from that time it got hacked[0] and that other time they leaked all the photos[1]) and how well a digital (non-government) system works in Scandinavia… I have to say… As a Dual British/Swedish Citizen, I really do not trust the UK government. They have proven over and over and over, that at every opportunity presented they will increase their own authority. I don’t belie…

Our system in Estonia works well. I don't get the resistance to a digital/national id in other countries. To us it is quite bizarre. Some have explained it with a lack of trust between citizens and the country. But without such digital id it is impossible to have such digital government services as we have here. The government services need to verify and autheticate the citizen, so they only access their own data and…

without such digital id it is impossible to have such digital government services

And now we know what Estonia's single point of failure is.

An adversary only has to hack one system to bring an entire country down. That sounds a bit scary to me.

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by esbranson »

No details of course, so also see the 38C3 talk on EU digital identity wallets[1] which came up in the EU age verification app thread[2]:

– Authenticate RPs: no over-asking

– Unobservability: keys on user devices

– Selective disclosure: minimal attributes

– Unlinkability: ZKP-based anonymous credentials

– Deniability: designated-verifier ZKPs

[1] https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-eu-s-digital-identity-systems-re...

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45359074

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by beeflet »

n4r9 wrote: post #102
SilverElfin wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go watch the videos and look up what was said. Most of them are clearly normal non violent free speech, but just politically not aligned to the current government’s platform. I’m not saying all are just doing free speech but am confident about most.

In my experience, when someone has an extreme opinion and says "just watch this video", it's largely a waste of time. Video is too easily game-able as a medium.

Good thinking, you wouldn't want to expose yourself to extreme opinions.

Come to think of it, when are we going to ban dangerous assault thoughts? Not everyone has a mind big enough for radical ideas of that caliber.

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by reaperducer »

bamboozled wrote: post #161
reaperducer wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm somewhat indifferent to the concept of a Digital ID. The problem is that the UK government's reason for introducing it doesn't make sense - to 'solve' illegal workers, when the UK already has a (digital) system for proving right to work I saw some British politicians discussing this on Sky last week, and I really don't see the point of the British digital ID. They say having yet another new ID number will make th…

Sky is a really right wing partisan channel though, ofc they are going to say negative things about the incumbent government or basically anything it does. Not to say the idea is good or bad, but how people watch hyper-partisan media and draw any conclusions from it is beyond me.

Sky didn't say anything. The two talking heads from two different political parties said things.

As an outsider, I have no idea if Sky News is "right wing" or not. I watch Sky and BBC because those are the two British services I can get where I am.

(And occasionally ITV, but it seems to be all potatoes, and no meat.)

I note that instead of addressing the topic of discussion, you deflect into another topic. Why is that?

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by FridayoLeary »

raesene9 wrote: post #30
SilverElfin wrote: post #2

After seeing NUMEROUS video of UK police showing up at doorsteps like the gestapo, arresting or citing or intimidating people who are simply practicing free speech, I don’t think anyone should support the government with a pathway to de-anonymize the web. Even if you support the current government, such powers will be used against you at some point.

If you're looking for evidence of the UK gov's authoritarian tendencies, you don't need to go looking at videos on Youtube, just look at the number of arrests of peaceful protestors who were given charges under terrorism legislation for holding up banners or wearing T-Shirts mentioning "Palestine Action" (ref https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/25/fate-of-hund... ). Or indeed in one notable case the person w…

I'm actually very pro israel and i agree with you on this. It's "two tier" kier at his finest. Labour have demonstrated they have no problem using the police and judiciary to go after anyone who causes them problems. And they somehow convince themselves they have the moral high ground from which to lecture everyone else. Even conservatives with all their indifference and contempt for the British public were never so dishonest.

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by beeflet »

tialaramex wrote: post #51
whitehexagon wrote: post #13

Signed, but I guess it is gonna be one of those where they keep asking until they get the answer they want. Where is the counter bill to block all future attempts of such privacy invading bills. Can the public draft new legislation like that? If so please ensures it blocks any dependency on smart phone ownership or other bigtech services.

Unlike the ludicrous US system with a "written constitution" that basically means a handful of unelected people get to overide all laws and say they're just "interpreting" as they ignore the plain words, the clear intent or any other obstacle to their Imperial Decree, the Parliament is literally Sovereign. So, if Parliament passes a Law tomorrow, miraculously by unanimous consent saying "The UK shall never have Digit…

The best you can hope for is an armed, educated population with principles. The constitution doesn't guarantee anything, it's just a receipt.

Re: UK Petition: Do not introduce Digital ID cards

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Post by AftHurrahWinch »

michaelt wrote: post #48
multjoy wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s because Palestine Action are a proscribed group. Whether or not the proscription was correct is irrelevant, the current law means that you commit the same offence showing support for IS or the Terrorgram Collective. The police can’t simply ignore one proscribed group over another as that leads to all manner of weird and wacky outcomes.

But they're only a proscribed group because the cabinet decided it was politically convenient to proscribe them. It's not like these guys are the Taliban or the IRA, though some of them did chuck some paint on some planes. So a person who is worried about Starmer's authoritarian tendencies lay responsibility for the police action at the door of number 10.

They destroyed "drone and aircraft machinery" [0] at APPH and at Teledyne "damage to the clean rooms could halt production for up to 12 months" [1].

[0]: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-57403049

[1]: https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/pro-palestine-activists-dama...

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