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Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by handbanana_ »

80hd wrote: post #5

I wasn't expecting to, but I got chills listening to some Suno creations from artists who are clearly very talented at using this new medium. Much like those of us hammering away at LLMs who eventually get incredible results through persistence, people are doing the same with these other AI tools, creating in an entirely new way. I'm sure Suno are working hard on this and these AI tools can only come together as fast…

Getting chills from a recording/generated sound isn't indicative of talent in any way.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by npinsker »

Nursie wrote: post #139
creata wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And look at the vocaloid stuff too. What about the vocaloid stuff?

It’s soulless by definition, designed by committee and sung by a machine. Entirely manufactured. But people like it. It’s a counterpoint to the above argument that listeners will be dismissive of AI-produced music because it is a pale imitation of art created with intent and soul. On the contrary, such music thrives and is very popular already.

Surely it's no more soulless than a song without words at all?

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by andhuman »

XenophileJKO wrote: post #76
smt88 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had some fun with Suno 5, but the songs absolutely don't replace well-made human music. They're much more formulaic and over-produced. They're usually forgettable. People I play them for can always tell they're AI produced.

Currently for me, in the type of music I have enjoyed from v4.5+. V5 of their model is a regression. I was very impressed with v4.5+ that I could get quite good songs evocative of Devo, Yeah Yeah Yeah's, Metric, etc. Version 5 is currently harder (or I haven't figured out a way) to generate this kind of chopped/produced sound. It doesn't follow complex style definitions and tends to generate songs that are too slow a…

V5 could be built different, and it will take a few revisions until they match v4 “creativity” for lack of a better word. What v5 brings is quality in the recording. Less AI shimmering in the background. But yes, I agree the songs are more… flat.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by andhuman »

iainctduncan wrote: post #124

These things are the composition equivalent of Guitar Hero... They give users (players?) a sense of agency, making it satisfying. But in reality, you're no more composing than a guitar-hero player is playing the guitar, and nor will you learn how to from doing so. No matter how sophisticated the transformations in an LLM, you're ultimately using other people's music in a sophisticated mashup game. However, in guitar…

Suno does have the cover feature, where you can upload your own playing, say playing a simple melody on a guitar, and it will take that and create a song from it, together with lyrics you wrote. So it can be fairly fulfilling. What it doesn’t allow you is full control of the composition. But that’s AI.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by j4coh »

radley wrote: post #160
j4coh wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s really not. It’s like having interdimensional Spotify where you can describe any song and they will pull it up from whatever dimension made it and play it for you. It may empower you as a consumer but it does not make you a creator.

I dunno, based on Spotify's recommendation engine, AI is absolutely sufficient to make anyone a creator ;P Almost all naturally-generated music is derivative to one degree or another. And new tools like AI provide new ways to produce music, just like all new instruments have done in the past. Take drum and bass. Omni Trio made a few tracks in the early 90s. It was interesting at the time, but it wasn't suddenly a gen…

You can do exactly what you describe with interdimensional Spotify. People can describe all kinds of fun and interesting things that can be statistically generated for them, but they still didn’t make anything themselves unlike in your other examples of using new tools.

Japanese oldies became a trend for a while - the people who found and repopularised the music dont get to say they created it and how it’s so awesome to have mastered the musical instrument of describing or searching for things. Well, of course they can, but forgive me if I don’t buy it.

Maybe when there is actual AGI then the AI will get the creative credit, but that’s not what we have and I still wouldn’t transfer the creative credit to the person who asked the AGI to write a song.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by andhuman »

visarga wrote: post #129

I wanted to try the advanced Suno models but they are locked away, and I don't want to take a membership just to try a couple of generations. So, for months, I gave up on Suno. It's locked away at v3.5 for me. Last 3 models have been all closed. I tried to sample a few songs generated by others, but I can't find their appeal.

What genre do you like? I have one but it’s pop. https://suno.com/s/rAz8rUfVst4pw1S5

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by janalsncm »

Nursie wrote: post #112
tummler wrote: post #19

Suno is moving toward becoming a browser-based DAW that happens to use AI. There are already more capable and established DAWs, and I see no reason they can't implement AI into their workflows-- in a more precise manner, where it's actually useful, instead of wholesale as a gimmick. Many are already doing this. So I don't understand where Suno is going with any of this. It either needs to be: 1. So easy anyone can pr…

> And listeners/consumers can tell the difference between art created with intent and soul, and a pale imitation of that. Respectfully I disagree. We have had curated, manufactured pop, built by committee and sung by pretty mouthpieces with no emotional connection, for a long time now, and they make big money. And look at the vocaloid stuff too. Those who care, care. Everyone else?

Honestly it sounds like AI generated music will just widen the bimodal distribution: those who care about craft and authenticity on one end, and a race to the bottom on the other. Everything in the middle will be squeezed.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by mrandish »

junon wrote: post #163
mrandish wrote: post #64

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God this entire thread is just AI generated astroturfing accounts for Suno, wtf is going on @dang?

At least I'm an AI that plans WAY ahead since I created this account almost 8 years ago and have made hundreds of posts which have close to 8,000 karma.

Maybe lighten up on imagining AI slop under every bush?

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by suyash »

jsheard wrote: post #35
tummler wrote: post #19

Suno is moving toward becoming a browser-based DAW that happens to use AI. There are already more capable and established DAWs, and I see no reason they can't implement AI into their workflows-- in a more precise manner, where it's actually useful, instead of wholesale as a gimmick. Many are already doing this. So I don't understand where Suno is going with any of this. It either needs to be: 1. So easy anyone can pr…

> It either needs to be: 1. So easy anyone can press a button and magically get exactly what they want with perfect accuracy and quality. 2. So robust and powerful it enables new kinds of music production and super-charges human producers. Don't forget the secret third option - facilitate a tidal wave of empty-calorie content which saturates every avenue for discovery and "wins" purely by drowning everything else out…

This tidal wave has already destroyed the gaming industry, lot's of low quality AI slop games have flooded App Stores, STEAM etc leaving both gamers and creators frustrated.
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