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ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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What would prevent me from writing my own program to do something simple like sending encrypted messages? Or just emails...

Same thing that prevents you form buying a knife and walking around stabbing people.

So you think this is comparable to sending around some data over TCP or UDP?

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

#162

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Yeah let's ensure only the craziest, most desperate for power type to be the regulators. Hitler knew if he had lost, he would have been executed. Didn't stop him from going war.

One could argue that Putin won't stop the current war against Ukraine for the very same reason. He is obsessed with Gaddafi's undignified end in a ditch and cannot be seen as weak. The GP's idea is very bad. Quite to the contrary, losing power should not come with disastrous personal consequences.

If they can't be punished for continuing to push bad laws, then they will continue to push them... because they benefit from those when they inevitably pass. So there are no solutions. You live in a world where Putin still exists, is still doing these godawful things, but the suggestion that if a politician loses an election his life is forfeit makes you fear that the things that already happen would happen. Or something. It's sort of sad.

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Imagine a future where it becomes easier to commit terrorism because of some technological advancements—like smaller, less traceable bombs, or chemical weapons that are easily accessible and lead to higher casualties—like in the 1,000s or more. Imagine in that scenario, that the likelihood of you or someone you know becoming the victim of a terrorist attack is now non-trivial in your society. In a future where this b…

did you write this message with ChatGPT?

> .. like smaller, less traceable bombs, or chemical weapons that are easily accessible and lead to higher casualties ..

it's very easy to build a bomb, you just need to "google" and make your shopping... Killing random people in the street is easy too, you have, among others, knifes - very easy to buy and commit a crime in side streets, etc.

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Yes but unfortunately courts are mostly reactive, not proactive Sometimes there are some mechanisms to block unconstitutional (or other regulation) laws from passing but they're limited Not sure how that would apply at the EU level or even at the Danish level

> Yes but unfortunately courts are mostly reactive, not proactive I think it’s always the case, no? Unless the unconstitutional law is approved, there is nothing to dispute in court.

Correct. Imagine the number of challenges in court based on mere rumor of a law.

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Imagine a future where it becomes easier to commit terrorism because of some technological advancements—like smaller, less traceable bombs, or chemical weapons that are easily accessible and lead to higher casualties—like in the 1,000s or more. Imagine in that scenario, that the likelihood of you or someone you know becoming the victim of a terrorist attack is now non-trivial in your society. In a future where this b…

this also assumes that criminals or terrorists will just follow the law.

you can always establish encrypted channel via DH over stenography in plaintext messaging, and just use any encrypted protocol.

if hardware is compromised a black market for such devices will surface.

Worst case scenario you create gigantic one time pads and just use them.

the whole idea is flawed as you get neither security nor privacy. in fact - it actually opens you to abuse if encryption is backdoored. Not to mention it being a gigantic slippery slope argument.

and most importantly - how to you ensure that you can ALWAYS trust your government with such powers?

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

#168

Imagine a future where it becomes easier to commit terrorism because of some technological advancements—like smaller, less traceable bombs, or chemical weapons that are easily accessible and lead to higher casualties—like in the 1,000s or more. Imagine in that scenario, that the likelihood of you or someone you know becoming the victim of a terrorist attack is now non-trivial in your society. In a future where this b…

Better imagine a future where this old manufactured problem / manufactured solution brainwashing trick no longer works and devil's advocates get what they deserve

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

#169
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> but this is not stopping Denmark from wanting to ratify ChatControl anyway. What the TLDR of the motivation behind this? Is it just politicians playing to their base (think of the children) or corporate lobbying. or religion, etc? Seems to me that the negatives of passing something like this are super obvious and dystopian.

If I was leading another western nation I would be looking at the right wing takeover of the US government in terror.

For sure. Does anyone want Trump to know everything you write? Erdogan if Turkey ever does enter the EU?

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

#170
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Or as someone put it, "People shouldn't fear the government. The government should fear the people." I feel like we've lost the vocabulary we ought to be using to talk about the legitimacy and role of the state. More people need to read J.S. Mill (and probably Hobbes.) Even today, works by both are surprisingly good reads and embed a lot of thoughtful and timeless wisdom.

But isn't the government fearing the people exactly why they're relentlessly pushing ChatControl?

if they feared the populace, they couldn't push for legislation that entrenches their position without any benefits to citizens.
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