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Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

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Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

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Post by sensanaty »

torben-friis wrote: post #119
bombcar wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the full magnitude of products that stopped working on the main product and started to try to shoehorn AI in was known, the economy would collapse overnight.

It really is concerning. I keep an excel sheet with links of all companies I could apply to whenever i change jobs, and checking it the other day practically every row was now selling an ai product.

I just went through the job hunt circuit and honestly while many companies do have some AI thing they're selling, for the actual day-to-day work and what most teams are working on, there's barely any mention of AI. It seems mostly marketing people and non-technical management cares, the devs I've spoken to in my interviews have not cared about AI much at all, and I had interviews with some large, influential companies.

Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

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Post by sensanaty »

mr90210 wrote: post #105
laweijfmvo wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similar experience: I added a folder to my zed project that was too big, causing zed to lock up and eventually crash. But because the default setting was to re-open projects on launch, I was stuck in a loop where I couldn’t remove the folder either. Eventually found a way to clear the recent projects, load an empty editor, and change the setting to avoid it in the future.

Ok, how big was your project? My JetBrains IDEs (RustRover, Goland) probably would have choked out too.

IntelliJ IDEs are fine with huge files and projects. At certain sizes it'll disable intellisense in active files, but IME stuff like find and replace works fine regardless of size and you can still turn intellisense on if you want.

They'll index for a long time on huge codebases, but I only go through that like once a month max, I just have the editors as always open

Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

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Post by ihsw »

torben-friis wrote: post #119
bombcar wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the full magnitude of products that stopped working on the main product and started to try to shoehorn AI in was known, the economy would collapse overnight.

It really is concerning. I keep an excel sheet with links of all companies I could apply to whenever i change jobs, and checking it the other day practically every row was now selling an ai product.

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Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

#164

Post by jeanlucas »

klaussilveira wrote: post #99
hmokiguess wrote: post #68

Zed was supposed to be the answer to Atom / Sublime Text in my opinion, and I kinda do want to use it as my main driver, but it just isn’t there yet for me. It’s shameful because I like its aesthetics as a product more than the competition out there. Just this other day I tried using it for something it sort of advertised itself as the superior thing, which was to load this giant text file I had instantly and let me…

I feel like Zed stopped working on the editor itself since AI was rolled out. I also wanted it to be the open-source alternative to Sublime, but nothing comes close.

Question out of curiosity: why does Sublime need an alternative? As far as I know it still is maintained?

Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

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Post by jeanlucas »

SpartanJ wrote: post #160
hmokiguess wrote: post #68

Zed was supposed to be the answer to Atom / Sublime Text in my opinion, and I kinda do want to use it as my main driver, but it just isn’t there yet for me. It’s shameful because I like its aesthetics as a product more than the competition out there. Just this other day I tried using it for something it sort of advertised itself as the superior thing, which was to load this giant text file I had instantly and let me…

I think there's still space in the editor market for an open-source Sublime/Zed alternative. I've been working solo on a code editor with similar characteristics for a few years. It's still a work in progress, but it's already feature-rich (all the basics and some advanced features, like LSP, DAP, multi-cursor, etc.): https://github.com/SpartanJ/ecode/ ecode can handle big files, though it's not specifically designed…

Why? Genuine curiosity, what's the angle for a market for sublime/zed alternatives? What are they lacking?

And congrats on your project, looks interesting.

Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

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Post by sevensor »

jeltz wrote: post #136
hmokiguess wrote: post #68

Zed was supposed to be the answer to Atom / Sublime Text in my opinion, and I kinda do want to use it as my main driver, but it just isn’t there yet for me. It’s shameful because I like its aesthetics as a product more than the competition out there. Just this other day I tried using it for something it sort of advertised itself as the superior thing, which was to load this giant text file I had instantly and let me…

My experience with Zed was that it was a buggy mess with strange defaults. I had high hopes until I tried it but it was not even close to working for my pretty normal use case of coding C so I went back to Sublime.

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Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

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Post by halJordan »

jeanlucas wrote: post #164
klaussilveira wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like Zed stopped working on the editor itself since AI was rolled out. I also wanted it to be the open-source alternative to Sublime, but nothing comes close.

Question out of curiosity: why does Sublime need an alternative? As far as I know it still is maintained?

I don't think they mean "replacement" but rather "the sublime of ai editors"

Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

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Post by hmokiguess »

jeanlucas wrote: post #164
klaussilveira wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like Zed stopped working on the editor itself since AI was rolled out. I also wanted it to be the open-source alternative to Sublime, but nothing comes close.

Question out of curiosity: why does Sublime need an alternative? As far as I know it still is maintained?

Sorry did not mean to hate on Sublime, it was pointed out in another comment that the comparison didn’t really match and I sort of agree. The mental model that brought that initially was the one-off use case of opening large files, for which I have traditionally done through Sublime in the past.

Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

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Post by joegibbs »

typpilol wrote: post #126
baq wrote: post #58

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meanwhile me hiding from accounting for spending $500 on cursor max mode in a day

Did you actually get 500 bucks worth of work out of it?

It depends on the salary, right? If you're in Silicon Valley paying 500k TC it probably makes sense to let your employees go wild and use as much token spend as they like.

Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based

#170

Post by hmokiguess »

klaussilveira wrote: post #159
jamesgeck0 wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been improvements recently, but it still has some of the worst text rendering of any editor on macOS, if you have a non-4K display plugged in. Rendering text is kind of a big deal!

It's not just on Mac. Zed's font rendering on Linux is also buggy and ugly. And they don't seem to care much: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/11676 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/7992 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/4334 Font rendering should be the most important feature of a text editor.

Funny enough this seems to be the exact opposite of what they preach on their mission statement.

https://zed.dev/about

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