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Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Eventually revolution.

That's going to be harder if the government spies on everything.

Maybe, but too harsh of crackdowns might also accelerate the revolution timeline. You don't need organization for a revolution to collapse a nation, or even any idea of what anyone wants to try and revolution towards, you just need a couple percentage of the population to be pissed off enough to start wanton destruction.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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As a European, I don't mind this getting passed anymore. I'll just go around it like I do for many other laws. Enforcing laws in the EU is a total joke, even if this passes, no one will care.

Signal will probably add an option to circumvent this like they have for other laws in countries that block signal itself.

So, Europe, if you really want this, go ahead and spy on the majority of the people, I'll just keep using signal or something else that respects my privacy, even if it's "illegal" by your standards (again, like I already do for many other laws).

If the story is different this time around and they double down on enforcing this, I'll just leave to Switzerland, if they do the same, I'll go somewhere else. Or I'll become an activist, I've actually been kinda bored of everyday life, maybe fighting the "system" will be fun for a change.

I don't care anymore, there'll always be a way to do what whatever me and those close want, as long as we are not hurting anyone.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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I didn't think Denmark was a pseudo-democracy but you learn new things every day.

What makes you believe this isn't an example of democracy in action, though?

Ill believe it when I see people directly vote to full surveillance of all their chat and speech. Just because politicians in a democracy want something that doesn't mean the voters want it too. The voters are voting for people, not on policy, and that holds true even if we were able to ignore all the manipulations and external influences upon choosing political representatives.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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I think this is naive thinking. Do that and you will be ass raped by stronger powers in record time... if we don't start a war in eu amongst ourselves. The eu was established as an economic union trying to prevent war in Europe and it has been very successful in that. Going the other way would probably cause havoc. Look at Hungary and Slovakia even with war on our doorstep. I am of the opinion that the EU needs to fe…

Meanwhile the most prosperous nations in Europe are not part of the EU. It is good you are asking how to avoid the EU turning into a totalitarian state, which is the way it is currently heading. I don’t think it’s possible.

what are these "most prosperous nations" ?

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Varoufakis had a very important take: that Europe needs to learn to survive post-EU. From the Euroskeptics to the anti-imperialists, everyone wants the EU dead. Sadly, I tend to agree with them more and more.

> Varoufakis

Is a crackpot who shouldn't be taken seriously.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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> Varoufakis had a very important take: that Europe needs to learn to survive post-EU. Wasn't he the Greek Minister of Finance that was supposed to be a game theory genius, but was completely incapable of understanding why his proposals were politically impossible?

He was shutdown by the EU central bank with them basically saying they can not allow individual countries to control and make their own financial decisions. This is after the EU was asking for incredible high interest rates to bail them out, basically forcing Greece to do whatever their overlords in Germany said.

Including steep austerity and privatisation of Greek government assets…

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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What I don't understand is, why don't the authorities think the actual bad guys will avoid the surveillance? It seems to me that organized crime will find their own solution, and the rest of us will occasionally have a snooping policeman checking our private messages. It's not unknown, even in Denmark, that people who are given access to private data will abuse it, eg snooping on ex girlfriends, that kind of thing. W…

Because they know and intend to target this law against regular people, not against bad guys. They are learning from the best in this field. Targeted very harsh punishments of the random people at random times do A LOT to chill political activity in the country, make hesitant people (a majority) shut up "just in case they are next ones to be targeted". People already with history of activity which may be randomly selected for prosecution will emigrate and thus exclude themselves from political environment. And this useful for left/centrists/right, regardless of the ideology, since all of them plan on shutting down opposition as soon as they are in power.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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His mother openly says he was left-wing; the governor said he was left-wing; he has a sexual relationship with a male transitioning to female who is also a furry; he cites Bella Ciao on the ammunition; has a "Notices bulge" meme reference also on the ammunition; and you're telling me there's no evidence? Duh, he’s a leftist; and the fourth violent one the right wing can name from the last year alongside Ryan Routh, T…

It was a Groypers' member. Full stop.

Full stop? Lol. The right-wing groyper theory is completely dead. Tyler Robinson is a leftist who killed in the name of his leftism. None of the evidence contradicts it.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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post #168
post #76

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It was a Groypers' member. Full stop.

Full stop? Lol. The right-wing groyper theory is completely dead. Tyler Robinson is a leftist who killed in the name of his leftism. None of the evidence contradicts it.

What evidence do you have that he "killed in the name of his leftism?"

As far as I know, there is no evidence of a specific "leftist" motive and no connection has been found to "leftist" organizations. Bear in mind that many Christians were opposed to Charlie Kirk's politics, and right-wingers didn't feel he went far enough. So that alone isn't evidence of "killing in the name of his leftism."

The memes aren't hard evidence either, since they're just memes.

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