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Post by yekanchi »

WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #137
reeredfdfdf wrote: post #84

Most educated Iranians hate their government. The problem is that a revolution isn't easy when the government has all the guns, and the military & revolutionary guard remain loyal, and have no problem with shooting masses of innocent civilians to retain their power. Sanctions that worsen things for ordinary people really isn't going to change much in countries like this. It would be much more productive to try turn t…

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the tech community has fundamental issues. they talk about ukraine all the time( in github , twitter, ..) and still i have'nt seen anyone talk about genocide in gaza and palestine.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by sigmoid10 »

reeredfdfdf wrote: post #84

Most educated Iranians hate their government. The problem is that a revolution isn't easy when the government has all the guns, and the military & revolutionary guard remain loyal, and have no problem with shooting masses of innocent civilians to retain their power. Sanctions that worsen things for ordinary people really isn't going to change much in countries like this. It would be much more productive to try turn t…

People here make it easy on themselves by blaming everything on "the government," but you should never underestimate the level of brainwashing. According to independent polls, it's more like 50% of Iranians still support their government. And it used to be closer to 80% a few years ago. I was lucky enough to be born into one of the wealthier nations, and our trust levels are much lower, despite our government doing not nearly as much crazy obviously evil stuff. I'd say the problem is not support of the government, it is education. The better educated people are, the less likely they are to blindly trust authority. And Iran lost most of its educated people already in the islamic revolution.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by elAhmo »

> Iranian IPs are blocked here, due to your decision to arm Russia with drones so that they can indiscriminately massacre civilians.

USA is lucky to be in position where others are too afraid to apply this reasoning to them, knowing they do literally the same with their closest ally.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by tgma »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #162
reeredfdfdf wrote: post #84

Most educated Iranians hate their government. The problem is that a revolution isn't easy when the government has all the guns, and the military & revolutionary guard remain loyal, and have no problem with shooting masses of innocent civilians to retain their power. Sanctions that worsen things for ordinary people really isn't going to change much in countries like this. It would be much more productive to try turn t…

People here make it easy on themselves by blaming everything on "the government," but you should never underestimate the level of brainwashing. According to independent polls, it's more like 50% of Iranians still support their government. And it used to be closer to 80% a few years ago. I was lucky enough to be born into one of the wealthier nations, and our trust levels are much lower, despite our government doing n…

Independent polls? How do you conduct such a poll reliably when there are legitimate consequences in expressing you have a certain opinion?

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by tgma »

reeredfdfdf wrote: post #159
tgma wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most educated Iranians hate their government Where did you get that data from and what do you mean by "hate" in quantifiable terms? (just being "unhappy" with outcomes of certain policies does not mean they would necessarily want to uproot everything for the better)

If you meet educated Iranians, and read news on what's happening in the country, it's pretty obvious. Whether it's "hate" or "deeply dislike" may vary by person.

You said "most" meaning more than 50%. I am curious if you have any data on that or it's just guesswork?

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by don_esteban »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #120
don_esteban wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The point is to get people in those contries to overthrow their leadership." No, that's for consumption by population of the sanctioning country. The people in the know know very well that that never works. The point is for every other country in the world to see how much it hurts if you don't follow the wishes of USA. Classic mafia strategy. The exception were the sanctions on Russia at the start of the Ukraine war…

Swift wasn’t blocked. There were targeted sanctions against certain banks.

This seems like legalistic perspective.

What percentage of Russia's foreign transactions went through those banks?

Certainly, normal people can't normally transfer money to/from Russia. The same for almost all companies.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by yekanchi »

the people are not fundamentally far from their government. this is true for U.S where they elected Donald Trump or Israel that elected Netanyahu.

for Iranians it's the same. and it's ground truth.

the sanctions actually are designed to push the people of Iran to change their mind and overthrow their gov. it's easier than starting a full-blown war against Iranian that will cause damage or kill U.S soldiers' lives. the sanctions are deliberately implemented to target the people and force them to follow the will of the whom established them.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by IshKebab »

perching_aix wrote: post #107
slg wrote: post #64

>Iranian IPs are blocked here, due to your decision to arm Russia with drones so that they can indiscriminately massacre civilians. The "your decision" in that response is really off-putting. I know the law is what it is with sanctions like this. However, it is a failing of basic human empathy to blame other common citizens of a country for the actions of their government while we almost certainly do not endorse all…

This frustrates me as well. It is so incredibly common, yet it never passes even basic scrutiny. For one, even in typical modern democracies, the active administration is chosen by like a third of the voting population via a first-pass-the-post system or a close analog of it. It's easy to ignore this when things are going okay, but becomes very uncomfortable all of a sudden when that changes. And this is to say nothi…

> the active administration is chosen by like a third of the voting population

Not really. The number of people who might change their minds and thus swing the result either way is indeed small. But it isn't accurate to say they are the ones that choose.

The people in guaranteed states/counties still choose; it's just that almost always choose the same answer.

But even that doesn't mean they can be ignored. They can be ignored at voting time, but before that political parties have to take them into account. They basically determine where the centre is. For example they are the reason the American centre is so much further right than the UK centre.

If you took American parties and held an election of them in the UK you would find that all those reliably conservative counties who you would say don't have any effect on the result are suddenly not so supportive of the right-wing option.

FPTP is still dumb and frustrating though.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by toolis »

slg wrote: post #64

>Iranian IPs are blocked here, due to your decision to arm Russia with drones so that they can indiscriminately massacre civilians. The "your decision" in that response is really off-putting. I know the law is what it is with sanctions like this. However, it is a failing of basic human empathy to blame other common citizens of a country for the actions of their government while we almost certainly do not endorse all…

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