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I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by sedatk »

whatarethembits wrote: post #43

Battery life is the only thing stopping me from getting out of the Apple ecosystem. As soon as a viable Linux laptop with "enough" battery life becomes available, I'll make the switch. At that point there's nothing on Apple side that couldn't be done better in Linux (with a bit of work, but that's okay). I travel a lot, and often on standby for work during that time. I need to be confident that when I pull the laptop…

Windows ARM laptops are quite good in that regard, but I'm not sure how close they're to Macs.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by throwaway240403 »

mrbonner wrote: post #140
seabrookmx wrote: post #122

The article is pretty light on details. Whether the Framework is worth it to you really depends on your use case. I never leave a laptop in my bag for three weeks, and if I do I have the foresight to actually shut it down rather than sleep it. So the battery drain while sleeping is less of a problem for me. My Framework 13 has the Ryzen 5 AI 340 Chip, and I get 5-6 hours of work on a charge. The Macbooks definitely b…

Let's me try to give you the solutions to your problems using Mac. 1. Homebrew: I use Nix package manager (with home manager, though you don't need to) and get rid of homebrew completely. 2. Docker: I assume you referred to Desktop version. You can just just Colima and the Docker/Compose CLI. You will get rid of all the bloats coming with Desktop. Bonus: see #1 for installing Colima and Docker CLI.

The parent's complaint about non-native docker is not solved by colima. It's not bloat from the desktop app it's the fact that you have to run a VM to run any sort of container runtime on a mac.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by atahanacar »

carlosjobim wrote: post #127
dmm wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a Mac, you can switch between apps with Command-Tab or windows of the same app with Command-` but there's no way to cycle between all windows or bounce between to two most recently used windows. Maybe this used to make sense when apps were single purpose but I do basically everything in a web browser or a terminal so not being able to bounce between the previously selected window(of whatever kind), as I can with A…

> I do basically everything in a web browser Then you are deliberately handicapping yourself, this isn't something you can blame on the OS. It's like complaining that a car has bad fuel economy because you always stay in first gear. As for the displays, you are comparing apples to oranges. You can get a high DPI monitor which is smaller than 32 inches for cheap. Which is plenty of screen for the distances where DPI d…

>Then you are deliberately handicapping yourself, this isn't something you can blame on the OS.

The classic "You're holding it wrong" defense. Especially when the alternatives don't have this problem.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by arximboldi »

aurareturn wrote: post #13

What mission do you love from Framework? Is it environmental? If so, I seriously doubt that the lifetime pollution of a Framework laptop is better than an Apple Silicon Mac. Macbooks tend to last a very long time. I used my Intel Macbook Air for 10 years. After that, I sold it and maybe it continued to get used by the second owner. While you can keep upgrading Framework laptops (parts require shipping/pollution to ma…

The hardware may last but there is planned obsolescence via software. You stop getting OS upgrades after 5 to 7 years and soon after most other apps. That alone I consider so wasteful and infuriating. My Linux machines don't ever have the problem, and at least Lenovo makes hardware as durable or more than Apple. I'm on Framework now and I hope it will last as long. I also have a Mac from 2020 or 2021 (last Intel Macbook pro) and I read they're already stopping OS upgrades.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by ndiddy »

izacus wrote: post #58
maverwa wrote: post #17

The complaint about power usage in suspend is especially sad because it’s pretty much a common problem for Linux on laptops. Not sure if that’s what applies here, but the numbers about match what I see with my Framework. Basically: if you want to use secure boot you usually also want kernel lockdown mode, and you cannot hibernate a lockdowned kernel. At least not without out-of-tree patches. IMHO that’s a giant issue…

The thing is - a lot if power saving is achieved by hybrid sleep (computer hibernating after a timeout). Setting that up is pure hell on Linux, with poor documentation and security people actively fighting against making this easy. On Windows/macOS it just works, on Linux you'll probably break secure boot with it.

> On Windows/macOS it just works, on Linux you'll probably break secure boot with it.

The way it works on my Windows laptop is it’ll stay in sleep overnight, then when I open the laptop in the morning it’ll wake up, then hibernate itself, then I have to wait for the computer to turn itself back on. Thankfully this feature can be turned off.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by SXX »

q3k wrote: post #154
SXX wrote: post #153

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Can't agree on it. For whatever reason my deck OLED do have this issue. Do you use SDcard btw? Since it's really the only difference from a stock device.

I don't. I also have the highest end model FWIW.

BTW after making some research apparently OLED's could be waken up by Bluetooth devices and recently they added option to disable this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/188jgd7/howto_se...

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by fpoling »

beeflet wrote: post #160
fpoling wrote: post #136

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I really do not understand why hibernate under secure boot is not implemented on Linux and this continues for years. It is as if the features are implemented by completely different people. But this is not obviously the case since systemd supports both and actively improving both. Note for me hibernation is a security measure and not about saving battery. I am traveling sometimes with the laptop and risk of theft is…

I have secure boot, hibernation, and full disk encryption working fine on linux, but I have never heard of kernel lockdown. The solution I found involves making a custom initramfs to support hibernation and compiling the kernel into a signed EFI stub.

Does the system use a boot loader? Or does it boot directly into kernel bypassing bootloaders?

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by cptskippy »

seabrookmx wrote: post #122

The article is pretty light on details. Whether the Framework is worth it to you really depends on your use case. I never leave a laptop in my bag for three weeks, and if I do I have the foresight to actually shut it down rather than sleep it. So the battery drain while sleeping is less of a problem for me. My Framework 13 has the Ryzen 5 AI 340 Chip, and I get 5-6 hours of work on a charge. The Macbooks definitely b…

My Framework is a personal device, not for work. I might use it once a day or less for a couple hours or less. It was 100% charged this past Saturday night when I picked it up off the charger. I used it for an hour or two looking for doing some planning for Halloween. Nothing serious, just browsing with Firefox. I shut the lid and placed it on the coffee table. I picked it up Sunday night to find the battery had depleted to below 20% and Windows was in Power Save mode.

This happens every time. I get one and half evenings of light usage out of it before having to charge it.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by worble »

GZGavinZhao wrote: post #157
worble wrote: post #155

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While I don't deny that suspend is an issue on Linux I've just never seen this as a major problem? I simply turn off my laptop and turn it on when I need it - boot times are less than a minute so it really isn't a issue for me, just flick the power switch, wait for a bit then I'm good to go.

There are often browser tabs and other documents windows I would like to keep openers and I want to jump back to exactly where I left off as soon as possible.

Let me preface this reply with that I'm not trying to preach or tell you how to live your digital life - everyone is different and if you have setup that works for you then great, keep on trucking.

That said, I worked the same way many years ago, with browser tabs and desktop sessions that were precious and I didn't want to drop them. But what I ended up realizing was that the stress of losing that state due to random power failures or software bugs was too much. I found it far better for my sanity and actual productivity to instead make sure I had a sane note taking system, where I could track what was actually important to me.

It was a great relief to my mental state and general stress to allow myself to shut down all processes and start clean every day.

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