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Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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I use Tesla FSD 99% of the time. I recently drove from Austin to Florida and back. The only time I had to take over was for road debris on the highway. Off the highway it’s very good about avoiding it. My guess is Tesla has not been focusing on this issue as it's not needed for robotaxi for phase one.

Your experience supports the other data, it’s not full self driving.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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A friend of mine who loves Tesla watched this video and said "many humans would have hit that". I feel we'll be hearing a lot of that excuse.

I would counterpoint my little cheap Civic has hit things like that and hasn't broken a thing. HEH. The best time was a very badly designed speed bump that I didn't even hit at high speed but one side was ridiculously inclinded vs. the other so the entire civic's frontend just smashed right into the pavement and dragged for 3 feet. I wouldn't be surprised if I went into a body shop and find the frontend tilted upward…

Timestamp 8:00-8:30. Your Civic is not hitting that and surviving any better than the Tesla. It just got luckier. It may be easier to get lucky in certain vehicles, but still luck based.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Well, I have to admit that your friend has a point. Humans are bad at reacting quickly and correctly to unexpected situations, and some debris large enough to damage your car showing up from out of nowhere after several hours of boring driving along a largely straight highway with little traffic is definitely one of these situations. But a self-driving system worth its salt should always be alert, scanning the road a…

Humans routinely drive from LA to NYC without wrecking their cars. In fact, that's the normal outcome.

I'd imagine the highway doesn't normally have a debris that's nearly the same color of the surface of a highway.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Guy in the video calls it a "girder", but it is almost certainly a trailer ramp: https://www.proxibid.com/lotinformation/54574457/2006-murray...

That was my hunch, but Google Lens was able to ID it. Possible that Waymo vehicles can do this too, but that must take some serious compute and optimization to do at highway speeds.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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I got my first Tesla last year and my first trip with FSD was just after the launch of V13, so I could not compare it to earlier versions. But I was shocked by how good it was. I completed a 800 miles trip with a handful of interventions, most or all of them likely unnecessary. Even with rain the system worked well. I don’t understand how the system was not able to see this obstacle and slow down or change lanes. Did…

> Did they have traffic tailgating? No. If you continue to watch the video after the collision, it's clear that there was no traffic tailgating. They even slowed down and pulled over to the side of the road. No other cars.

I'm unsure why having traffic tailgating even factors into it. If you have to hit the brakes to avoid a collision in front of you, it's not your responsibility to deal with traffic behind you that wasn't at a safe distance; that's all on them.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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A human did hit that..

I guess the point was the human was intentionally letting the car do its thing, though.

With their hands on the steering wheel and foot next to a brake and two people looking out the window.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Two more years guys, just give him two more years, a few more billion, a bit more political power and I promise he'll give you your fancy self driving toy. (Repeat from 2012 ad infinitum)

If it's not your money does it matter? I don't think it's fair to say he doesn't deliver anything e.g. he did cars, rockets, and now AI (the rate X are building out training capacity is genuinely astonishing) at the same time.

idk man, I'm not in the matrix deep enough to give a shit about "building out training capacity" of LLMs, I think there are way more important topics like not destroying the fabric of our society and political systems, but idk, I guess I'm just a far left antifa maniac terrorist or something

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Why are Dutch or Swiss highways so much more pristine than French and German ones? Have you compared distances?

German ones are still way way cleaner than US highways. Germany is also the country with the most traffic because it's kind of at the center of everything and pays roads with income tax instead of tolls. The French charge really high tolls and have very little traffic compared to Germany. They really don't have an excuse.

> They really don't have an excuse.

Oh but we do. Most of the state-owned motorways have been sold off to conglomerates about two decades ago, dividends and exec comps have to come from somewhere.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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One of my biggest criticisms of Elon is that he rarely takes accountability for his words and nobody ever holds him accountable by asking directly. This isn't a high bar to clear, but some people continuously excuse him as being "overly-eager" in his predictions. If that was the case, he could still provide reasonable updates when a predicted date is missed along with an explanation, even if it's just: "Hey, it turns…

In America, you fail the second you apologize or take accountability. Ignoring criticism and deflecting all the time gets you further, as it is part of the game. Unfortunately, this is just an accepted social science-y thing at this point. It is a very much cultural thing of the past couple of decades.

That's a interesting take. What I have heard from a very old friend of my father is the opposite:

> Knowing when to say thanks and when to say sorry is the key for success.

...and I have used this piece of advice since then, it paid me handsomely. Of course, this doesn't allow you to be shameless, on the contrary, it requires to stick to your values as a prerequisite.

I think what allows Elon to behave like that is how he can retaliate without any repercussions since he has tons of money and influence in some circles.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Yes it does matter. Money thrown away on his lies is money that isn’t invested on real projects.

Overall SpaceX is incredibly successful and Tesla is still reasonable successful. So money overall is hardly thrown away.

Success being defined here as "something that makes numbers go up in some capacity"
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