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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Cold war Reagan who stood up to Russia/China, generally represented American interests, and led - regardless of many disagreeing with him politically? No, this is that party having gone insane from stewing in reactionary talk radio for decades in a cycle of getting angrier while being repeatedly suckered into supporting more specious policies that leave them worse off. The Republican party had been farming this hate…

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Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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This is terrible lack of planning. I understand the need for the US to be strict about people entering the country. They have a right to choose but this is so mismanaged. There are so many active H-1B visa holders, now everyone is just anxious. The rules can start for new visa applications. For existing holders, there should be a time period where people can figure out if the employer is even able to pay. If this sta…

I don't think it is a terrible lack of planning. I think it is exactly what they intended to achieve.

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Get your relatives and family out of this shithole and start a new life somewhere else. Why paying taxes for fat crooks? Why working your ass off for major companiel that dont pay taxes? I more and more understand people leaving their home country.

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American exceptionalism is well past its 'best before', there is no 'shining city on the hill'.

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Reading a thread on r/immigration involving multiple immigration lawyers and corporate lawyers※, the Executive Order wording is apparently unclear and leaves CBP agents with discretion (which can obviously cause confusion and not apply the same rules to everyone). Much easier for the companies to recommend/insist on folks fly back before the deadline to avoid issues. ※ - https://www.reddit.com/r/immigration/comments/…

This level of uncertainty just makes the United States toxic for business and investment. How is this Making America Great Again, again?

Trump has a ~85%+ approval amongst republicans. This has been the case for every poll which shows Trump’s approval rating dropping. Its only dropping amongst non republicans.

This is not the part of America that is meant to be great. This is the part of America that needs to be brought in line to whatever storyline Fox and the media sphere on the right is playing.

I mean, why ELSE would the President make such a decree? Obviously because something is wrong. Taking action when it counts.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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The democracy stopped functioning a while ago, this is just the bills being presented.

Unless you mean the electoral college overriding popular vote nonsense, and disproportionate Senate power, which was there since the beginning, I don't know what you mean. The voters apparently wanted more of this per the Nov 2024 elections, when we still had a credible election process.

"Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem" has been sedition that has been let to spread and rot at our foundations for decades now, growing only stronger. There is absolute bedlam and insanity pushed to American voters, completely made up fictionalized reality, blasted out by Fox News and worse. People live in the most absurd hyperreal simulation, built entirely around hating government, disbelief of the state, and disdain for civil society civil rights and decency.

The extremeification of American politics by the right has totally crippled the state. Business can sometimes come in an extract wins for itself, but everyone else loses. The political gamesmanship begat by Hastert rule, where wins must never be bipartisan wins, has decayed the government, betrayed the nation.

I'm so so tired of such loud utterly decoupled unhinged sedition, against the state against reality.

My favorite recurring threads these days is a simple one: society that wants to keep functioning has to disincentivize baldfaced lying, especially by authorities

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Incredibly skilled? More like incredibly low paid. H1Bs are mostly used now to save money not to fill high skilled jobs. I know US citizens who have 10+ years of experience as software engineers and have been out of work for a year now. The $100k will try to take that advantage away from employers.

Why can't they set a salary cutoff for visas at something like 1.5x of median salary in the same industry? That's what EU does. No lottery, no degree requirement even -- if the company wants you to pay above the market, they can, otherwise, nah. This of course creates another problem -- highly paid foreigners price locals out of the housing market, but hej, we can always blame that on refugees, right.

The salary cutoff is set and it’s met.

Wanna raise the salary cutoff go for it.

But the people claiming that there is no salary cutoff and that H1B visa holders are incredibly lowly paid are simply lying.

Like any other rule or law there are people who break the rules and laws. Usually the way they prove the salary is not being met is by pointing to the tiny fraction of people breaking the law.

It’s like saying we should get rid of anti murder laws because murderers exist.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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This isn't a big deal for the larger tech companies other than a short term pain in the ass. This is a large net negative for 3 sectors that I can currently think of: - American (software) tech workers - Healthcare - Research / Postgrad Medicine and Research are fairly self explanatory, however, why the American software tech worker? Let's say you're Microsoft, you have large offices all over the world - instead of h…

Coincidentally American tech workers just accompanied Trump to the UK where they promised to setup massive new offices. Even more coincidentally the UK just concluded a trade deal with India that includes easier work related immigration into the UK…

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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No, but it is practical: you can consider your life in the US and what you've built up there as an immigrant pretty much lost or at least hanging by a silken thread that can be capriciously cut at any moment. This all depends on the whims of the dictator. Almost anything is better than that. Remember that the purpose of the Berlin wall was not to keep the West out but to keep the East in . You're at the stage where '…

Can you propose a plan to do that in the span of a weekend?

Yes, try to find someone you can give power of attorney to that you 100% trust on the States Side so you minimize the damage, figure out which countries you can legally live in with your current set of papers and then take the next available flight there and start building. Anything else is wasted time. If you have family in that place then I hope you're on very good terms with them, that would be your first port of call in times of need like this. And get your money out, while you still can.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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UK around Brexit time thought kind of similar: let's keep the "riffraff" immigrants out by applying higher criteria. The narrative also changed this way: we don't want immigrants in general, but you, with your highly paid PhD-requiring job, you can go in, on a 2 year rolling basis. Then everyone's a winner, except for unwanted, unskilled labour.

But a lot of skilled labour left anyway. Partly because the general atmosphere got unpleasant. But also highly paid people have spouses, children, parents and other relatives. Once you are told you barely cleared (very high) criteria, you can be pretty sure your retired parents won't, if ever you need them to move in with you.

So the effect may well be that the kind of people whose productivity and tax bracket makes a 100k fee justifiable simply choose to go elsewhere.

Especially when the administration makes their contempt for any rights they have so obvious.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Even better than this actually is a one time relocation cost, you retain the domain knowledge of the employee and send someone elsewhere where they can keep working.

I think the focus should be first and foremost on the damage to personal relationships rather than their ability to keep working, even if that will become more important soon after. You can't just drop crap like this on people without warning, this whole governing by proclamation is idiotic.

This is absolutely a mean AF law. This is pure Trump in his element with no depth of thought. However Big Tech does not care about your feelings, there are two realistic options.

To send you back where you came from (severance).

To send you somewhere where you have the ability to keep doing what your doing.

Some may fork out the fee for a year for exceptional staff, thats about it.

Anyway, forget the tech sector. The impact to the health care sector is even worse.

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