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Re: Nostr

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Post by keiferski »

CaptArmchair wrote: post #109
keiferski wrote: post #26

Something I don’t quite get about these new social networks that are clearly aimed at technical people: my model of a truly decentralized social network is more like a network of privately hosted personal websites, à la the original web. Not yet another platform I need to make an account to interact on separately. Have there been any attempts to make more of a “network” that incentivizes operating personal websites b…

This an interesting question. Forgive my meandering take on this. We already have a mix of technologies to achieve that effect. Sort of. Simplified, you can host a personal website on shared hosting, a VPS, or wherever, at the same time chat via IRC or XMPP, and use RSS to create feeds to share tidbits about yourself. Nothing stops you from combining different programs and services to get that. So, what are the probl…

Yeah, I mean I am not personally working on a project in this space, nor do I have any super-strong feelings about it.

It's more that I like personal websites, from both an ownership and creative perspective. And so I wish there were more approaches which attempted to incentivize that model without creating a complicated new protocol, platform, etc. That might involve making it easier to create and self-host websites, an opt-in directory of personal sites with chat + forums attached, or something else like that.

Re: Nostr

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Post by fiatjaf »

r721 wrote: post #149

I still don't understand how Nostr would behave in this hypothetical scenario - a bad actor creates 100k key pairs (via residential proxies) and posts 10 LLM-generated replies to each new post. Who would fight with that wave of spam exactly and how?

You only read from the relays you want, relays have all the tools in the world to reject spam, therefore the solution is just to have clients that help the user enforce selecting only what they deem as "safe" relays in order to read replies from.

Re: Nostr

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Post by [deleted] »

nunobrito wrote: post #21
anon1395 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitcoin is regulated as hell

Not everyone there is a bitcoin boomer. You'll find plenty of monero users and things that are a bit more serious than that.

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Re: Nostr

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Post by r721 »

rollcat wrote: post #143
Arathorn wrote: post #69

> "An open protocol with a chance of working" One of the most depressing things about the decentralised protocol space is the adversarial attitude to other projects - whether that's Nostr v. ActivityPub v. ATproto v Nostr, XMPP v. Matrix v. IRCv3 v. Deltachat, etc. Imagine if the energy spent on positioning yourself relative to other open-source projects (who should be fellow travellers, if anything) was instead inve…

Doesn't help that all of the major decentralized protocols have been very effectively undermined and pushed aside. GTalk first de-federated (weakening XMPP as a whole), then killed XMPP support completely. Reader effectively killed RSS for casual users. Email has been swallowed whole by the oligopoly of GMail+Yahoo+Outlook+iCloud+etc; spam is a real problem, so if you're self-hosting your email, you kinda expect to b…

>Bluesky popped up, and promised federation. I didn't check in a while - did it happen yet?

Related recent discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45077291

Re: Nostr

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Post by irusensei »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #41
littlecranky67 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is noteworthy that zapps are based on lightning (which is Layer-2 for bitcoin), and similar in privacy as monero (and instantaneous).

Lightning is not anywhere near as private as monero. It's a band aid at best. If it was actually private it would get banned and suppressed like monero.

Then let’s write a nip and create a Nostr client that uses monero. What are you waiting for?

Re: Nostr

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Post by fiatjaf »

gwd wrote: post #147

Don't know much about Nostr, but wondered re the spam problem, if it would make sense to introduce the idea of proof-of-work for the identities? A quick search shows that the have optional PoW proposals for notes (i.e., individual posts), but I didn't see anything about PoW for identities . People could spend $1, or $5, or $50 of compute for an identity, and others could use the cost of the identity as a filter. Havi…

Yes, that makes sense and that can be used later by relays and clients in order to decide whether to store or display notes from identities. In fact that's a pretty good idea.

Re: Nostr

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Post by fiatjaf »

benrutter wrote: post #23

Hope this doesn't come accross as rhetorical, it's a genuine question! Nostr users, how does this differ in your experience from Mastodon? At first glance it seems like the same idea but with the extra ingredient of blockchain, I'm not sure what this adds though, anonymity?

There is no blockchain, only basic cryptographic signatures on each message. And users are not tied to any servers, they can read from multiple or write to multiple. They can (locally) aggregate data from many servers or connect to a specific server, same for publishing, it's very flexible and different clients choose to do it in different ways and expose different interfaces to users.

Re: Nostr

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Post by andunie »

lukaslukas wrote: post #17

I don't understand. Can someone explain it to me from a technical/IT perspective? Is it like HTTP or JSON, or like XMPP...? "An open protocol with a chance of working" = ?huh? "Nostr doesn't subscribe to political ideals of "free speech"" = ???huh? "BEEP BOOP" ???wtf?? Please don't explain technical things as if you were talking to children. Explain them as if you were talking to a colleague sitting next to you. Talk…

Those phrases you mentioned do not sound like they were addressed to children, and they have more text afterwards that expand on them.

Maybe you could explain what they're lacking?

Re: Nostr

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Post by andunie »

keiferski wrote: post #26

Something I don’t quite get about these new social networks that are clearly aimed at technical people: my model of a truly decentralized social network is more like a network of privately hosted personal websites, à la the original web. Not yet another platform I need to make an account to interact on separately. Have there been any attempts to make more of a “network” that incentivizes operating personal websites b…

Why do you say they're "clearly aimed at technical people"? Do you know the minds of people who created them?

Re: Nostr

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Post by sebastix »

digitalbase wrote: post #135
staticelf wrote: post #2

I like the idea of nostr but when I tried to use it it was a lot of CP which made me instantly stop using it. I guess the issue with this type of protocols is that there must be a way to prevent these very dark and illegal content. As a user I don't want to see it and the submitter should be found and jailed for distributing it. Right now, it's hard to know where it even comes from since it can come from any of the r…

I think this is a real problem of "an open network". Disgusting people will find the network and abuse it. There is a very insightful thread on nostr about it -> https://asknostr.site/question/note1lhvk3kkmaev6qzlpzzns69vw... The top voted answer was > Relays have to become more whitelisted and less open, and clients have to implement outbox model and stop relying on 2 or 3 big relays, then we can just stop worrying…

> I think this is a real problem of "an open network". Disgusting people will find the network and abuse it.

Question. Do you prefer open or closed networks? I'm sure you are aware that the internet is an open network.

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