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Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by eknkc »

Sammi wrote: post #54
jon-wood wrote: post #17

It's certainly a bold move for a private company that wants to take a behemoth like Oracle to court over something that mostly benefits themselves to solicit $200K of donations from random people in order to so. I look forward to seeing how that plays out for them.

> mostly benefits themselves This is incorrect. All users of Javascript benefit.

I personally am a user of JavaScript and don’t care what it is called. Call it FuckScript for what I care. How does this benefit anything other than Deno marketing?

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by ForHackernews »

jedisct1 wrote: post #146
Illniyar wrote: post #42

I don't get the hate here. This is practically a public service and Deno doesn't have any direct or obvious material gains from this. Definitely not more then dozens of other projects (from Chrome to Node.js to Tutorial sites and any company offering something with JS) So what if they are a VC backed company? If you perform a public service, it's fair to ask the public for money. No one is suggesting this money would…

This is a form of marketing.

It's effective. I feel positively about anyone willing to take Oracle to court.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by mrweasel »

giveita wrote: post #22
siva7 wrote: post #13

I can't be the only one who believes the name JavaScript should die in Peace. It was and still is the worst naming of any popular programming language in existence.

JS is better and you can make it a recurisve backronym. JS stands for: JS Script.

Probably to close to JScript, not sure if Microsoft cares enough to sue though.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by notapenny »

glimshe wrote: post #138
notapenny wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grow up. And accept that both have merit. You may not like it but there's a reason languages, tools, companies, products, whatever become popular. And it isn't just because "people are idiots" or evil companies. Console wars are for teenagers.

You lack imagination and ambition. Of course they have merits. But, so what? I didn't dedicate my life to this field to build things that "have merit", but to build great things. And we have great things. It's just that neither Oracle nor JavaScript are among them.

You have no idea whether or not I lack those. If you're going to make a blanket ad-hominem statement like that, at least don't follow it up by agreeing with my point.

Nobody is telling you to build things that just "have merit". Just because you don't like them, it doesn't mean that great things weren't built off the back of Oracle and in JavaScript.

If some Oracle product is the best pick for the task, or JavaScript is the best pick for the task... will you pick it? Or will you whine about what you dedicated your life to?

If you can't see that other people might feel different about this, or be able to build great products with these, maybe you're the one without the imagination and ambition...

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by pklausler »

xmcqdpt2 wrote: post #39
rs186 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, Fortran still exists.

Fortran is pretty great: * First-class tensor manipulations (like numpy but in the core language) * Fast math with the right compiler * Automatically sized multi dimensional arrays on the stack * Zero cost C interop * Minimal runtime, no GC, compiles to small programs * Generics * Coarray based parallelism in the core language Sure it has issues but if you want to write fast numerical code and don’t want to bundle 2G…

Having written one, I'd like to disagree with the "minimal runtime" point. Fortran's I/O system, intrinsic procedures, memory management, and derived types need a lot of code in the runtime support libraries.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by catlover76 »

Illniyar wrote: post #42

I don't get the hate here. This is practically a public service and Deno doesn't have any direct or obvious material gains from this. Definitely not more then dozens of other projects (from Chrome to Node.js to Tutorial sites and any company offering something with JS) So what if they are a VC backed company? If you perform a public service, it's fair to ask the public for money. No one is suggesting this money would…

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Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by koakuma-chan »

nchmy wrote: post #151
koakuma-chan wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And why would anyone do something good for someone else without an ulterior motive? Do you think people donate to charity because they are good or because they want to seem good? I met people IRL who acted "nice" except they were also aware they were being perceived as "nice" and explicitly called themselves "nice," wouldn't you agree this is hypocritical?

What an absolutely tragic worldview you have... There's no doubt that there are disingenuous people (let alone complete grifters). But the fact that you can't conceive of anyone doing anything good just for the sake of it - let alone making genuine self-sacrifices, which happens ALL the time - is utterly shameful. Moreover, if you are properly-aligned in life, whats good for others/the world is ALSO good for you. Eve…

I am only making conclusions based on what I see, and I comment hoping people can tell me how I am wrong. I am still trying to figure this out, but all evidence points to what I said.

People never "do good" "just for the sake of it" - there is always a reason, whether or not the person realizes it. The reason could be, e.g., as I said, the desire to seem good, some kind of religious belief, etc. Ultimately, it is never "just for the sake of it"

I am also disappointed, and I don't know what to do with this, but I am not willing to become some kind of ignorant, delusional lunatic.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by pyuser583 »

JavaScript isn't a generic term. There aren't lots of JavaScripts. Just the one.

If Oracle is going to lose the trademark, which it probably should, the reasoning could be better. How about the fact that Oracle doesn't really offer a service called JavaScript. Isn't abandonment a reason to lose trademark?

"Google" has become a generic term for search engine, like "Jello", "Kleenex", "Kool-Aid," etc. "JavaScript" isn't like that.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Can someone clear this for me?

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