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Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by amluto »

duffpkg wrote: post #155

This article headline is a gross abuse of the conclusions of the actual study which is here: https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.E... This site is full of people perfectly capable of reading most studies. I would much rather see these links go to studies than endless clickbait articles about studies. The conclusion of the study show that about 30% of the women in the study from 2017-2014 tested…

That link says:

> What have we learnt from this study?

> Infection with HPV types covered by the vaccine (HPV16/18) has been almost eliminated. Before vaccination, the prevalence of HPV16/18 was between 15–17%, which has decreased in vaccinated women to The conclusion seems to be that the vaccine is extremely effective at preventing infection by the strains included in the vaccine. One might reach a stretch conclusion and infer that the 9-valent vaccine would be even better as it would (probably) dramatically reduce the risk of several of the remaining “high-risk” variants.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by mrguyorama »

brewdad wrote: post #100
squigz wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but this implies the only source of "manipulation from other actors" is the news, media, or government. Churches, cults, and just other ignorant people existed to cause distrust in authority.

Chatty Kathy could only share her moonbat ideas with a couple people at a time. Now she has a TikTok and the ability to go viral. Even folks sharing her video to mock it are spreading her message.

And now there is code that says "This video is doing really well, I'm going to put it in front of every single human being I can"

Your local crazy used to get patronizing nods. Now they get 100 million views.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by pyuser583 »

pm90 wrote: post #18

If you're living in the US: please consider getting the vaccine, ragardless of your age. It was covered by my (rather shitty) health insurance. It consists of just 2 (EDIT: 3 for adults!) doses. It is recommended for both Males and Females.

I've been through this with medical providers, and they say it's not recommended for me.

I don't take medical advice from internet strangers, especially when it contradicts my doctors'.

I'm not particularly interested in discussing the how's and why's. My doctor said he doesn't recommend I get it, so I don't.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by pyuser583 »

loeg wrote: post #140
LorenPechtel wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not approved for those over 45. (AFIAK, simply because so few people in that age group would have risk without having had prior exposure. Basically only those who had divorced or lost their long time partner.)

It's not "recommended" but your PCP can prescribe it off-label if you ask -- just ask.

I'm sorry, but you sound like the people who try to get me take ivermectine for Covid. "just get it off label" or "tell the doctor you just got back from pauea new guinea and saw worms in your stool."

I know you are very well intentioned, but American's actually have very good doctors.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by kentm »

boxerab wrote: post #136
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe we’re seeing selection pressure against those prone to addictive cycles of social-media influenced misinformation? Like, anti-vaxers died at higher rates in Covid [1]. This will continue across disease outbreaks, particularly ones for which we have near-comprehensive vaccines like measles. And given antivax sensibility is heritable (through parenting, not genes), one would expect this to stabilize the populatio…

very few people are against vaccines per se, they are just against *unsafe* vaccines. "anti-vax" is a term used to dismiss dissident without having to deal with their arguments i.e an ad hominem. As an analogy, if I object to high levels of mercury in fish, am I anti-fish? or anti-poisonous-fish ?

The people that are against "unsafe" vaccines do not do the proper research to determine whether a vaccine is actually safe. These people claim that safe vaccines, like the COVID shots, are actually unsafe because they googled up some claims that were not rigorously researched or reviewed.

I had seen attempts to engage with these arguments in good faith. It was wasted effort.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by ryandrake »

api wrote: post #83
perihelions wrote: post #29

By way of contrast, America's current top "doctor" organized a class-action lawsuit against the HPV vaccine. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/... ( "Kennedy played key role in Gardasil vaccine case against Merck" ) > "Details of the Gardasil litigation show how Kennedy took action beyond sowing doubt about the safety and efficacy of vaccines in the court of public opinion and helped build a…

It's okay, he'll have us treat cervical cancer with a juice cleanse and vibes.

Don't forget prayer--the ultimate solution to everything!

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by atombender »

duffpkg wrote: post #155

This article headline is a gross abuse of the conclusions of the actual study which is here: https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.E... This site is full of people perfectly capable of reading most studies. I would much rather see these links go to studies than endless clickbait articles about studies. The conclusion of the study show that about 30% of the women in the study from 2017-2014 tested…

> about 30% of the women in the study from 2017-2014 tested positive for one of several types of HPV infection.

That number was referring to different strains not covered by the vaccine. The study says the rate of infection dropped to less than 1% among those strains the vaccine protects against.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by femto »

syntaxing wrote: post #154

Wasn’t this also the same conclusion for Australia? Cervical cancer plummeted to record rates. Men should still get it so they don’t effect their partners and HPV causes all sort of cancer too.

Australia rolled out the HPV vaccine for girls in 2007. Boys were included in the program in 2013. Modelling says that "elimination" depends on both the vaccine and a screening program [3].

[1] https://www.cancercouncil.com.au/news/australian-success-sto...

[2] https://www.ncirs.org.au/sites/default/files/2022-07/HPV%20F...

[3] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2...

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by SchemaLoad »

pyuser583 wrote: post #163
pm90 wrote: post #18

If you're living in the US: please consider getting the vaccine, ragardless of your age. It was covered by my (rather shitty) health insurance. It consists of just 2 (EDIT: 3 for adults!) doses. It is recommended for both Males and Females.

I've been through this with medical providers, and they say it's not recommended for me. I don't take medical advice from internet strangers, especially when it contradicts my doctors'. I'm not particularly interested in discussing the how's and why's. My doctor said he doesn't recommend I get it, so I don't.

In most countries it's recommended for everyone. It just isn't in the US because they don't want to pay for it.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by p1necone »

finghin wrote: post #141
p1necone wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That feels like a wild assumption to me - we really think people 45+ aren't having casual sex? less casual sex maybe, but I would imagine still a decent amount, statistically.

If you’re having casual sex at 45+ you probably already carry HPV.

Yeah that makes much more sense as an explanation than OP.
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