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Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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Post by userbinator »

oblio wrote: post #153
RataNova wrote: post #143

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Totally agree that what AI is doing right now feels more like the GarageBand/iMovie moment than the iPhone moment. It's democratizing creativity, not necessarily creating billion-dollar companies. And honestly, that's still a big deal

The thing is... Elbow grease makes the difference. If you're just generating images using AI, you only get 80% there. You need at least to be able to touch up those images to get something outstanding. Plus, is getting 1 billion bytes of randomness/entropy from your 1 thousand bytes of text input really work?

Plus, is getting 1 billion bytes of randomness/entropy from your 1 thousand bytes of text input really work?

I think what AI has made and will make many more people realise is that everything is a derivative work. You still had to prompt the AI with your idea, to get it to assemble the result from the countless others' works it was trained on (and perhaps in the future, "your" work will then be used by others, via the AI, to create "their" work.)

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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Post by awesome_dude »

ACCount37 wrote: post #150
catlifeonmars wrote: post #49

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The weather thing doesn’t seem… realistic. Have you heard of chaotic systems?

"All stable processes we shall predict. All unstable processes we shall control." Not something that can be solved just by throwing more AI computation at it though.

> Not something that can be solved just by throwing more AI computation at it though.

I said "With the help of AI" no "Solved by AI"

The model is complex, and currently takes time on super computers to crunch through the numbers to give us an approximation, but that doesn't mean that it's never going to be fully modelled, or that we won't find a better way of approximating things where the long range forecasts are more accurate.

Currently the 24 hour forecast is highly reliable Three days reliable Five days is getting there ( it's still subject to change)

These things can be solved by throwing lots more compute at them (and the models improved)

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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Post by Ygg2 »

XenophileJKO wrote: post #127
rwyinuse wrote: post #119

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Interesting. For me knowing that any form of entertainment has been generated by AI is a massive turn-off. In particular, I could never imagine paying for AI-generated music or TV-shows.

Do you value self expression? I literally mean creating music for MYSELF. I don't really care if anyone else "values" it. I like to listen to it and I enjoy spending an evening(or maybe 10 minutes if it is just a silly idea) to create a song. But this means my incentive to "buy" music is greatly decreased. This is the trend I think we'll see increasing in the near future. Examples: https://suno.com/s/0gnj4aGD4jgVcpqs…

> Do you value self expression?

Did you train the AI yourself? On your own music? Or was music scrapped from Net and blended in LLM?

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Post by sillyfluke »

Waterluvian wrote: post #52
catlifeonmars wrote: post #44

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I have a similar problem (available assets drive/limit game dev). What is your workflow like for generative game assets?

It’s really nothing special. I don’t do this a lot . Generally I have an idea I’ve written down some time ago, usually from a bad pun like Escape Goat (CEO wants to blame it all on you. Get out of the office without getting caught! Also you’re a goat) or Holmes on Homes Deck Building Deck Building Game (where you build a deck of tools and lumber and play hazards to be the first to build a deck). Then I come up with a…

You said you had a budget about 0 in your top post. Was that for the pre-AI era or does that apply to your new AI flow as well? If it's still about 0, I'm guessing you're using primarily AI to learn how to do stuff and not using it mostly to generate assets? Is that a correct assumption?

Edit: also, where can we play Escape Goat.

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Post by ares623 »

r14c wrote: post #28
amelius wrote: post #10

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Like building a rocket that can relocate us to another planet when shit hits the fan?

What makes you think we can survive on another planet when we can't figure out how to live sustainably in our natural habitat?

The classic “refactoring is the answer”.

Maybe offloading software engineering thinking to AI will be a net good for humanity. If it atrophies engineering thinking in tech bros, perhaps they’ll stop believing that all societal problems can be solved by more tech.

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Post by ileonichwiesz »

XenophileJKO wrote: post #127
rwyinuse wrote: post #119

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Interesting. For me knowing that any form of entertainment has been generated by AI is a massive turn-off. In particular, I could never imagine paying for AI-generated music or TV-shows.

Do you value self expression? I literally mean creating music for MYSELF. I don't really care if anyone else "values" it. I like to listen to it and I enjoy spending an evening(or maybe 10 minutes if it is just a silly idea) to create a song. But this means my incentive to "buy" music is greatly decreased. This is the trend I think we'll see increasing in the near future. Examples: https://suno.com/s/0gnj4aGD4jgVcpqs…

I do value self expression, that’s why I play multiple instruments, paint, draw, sculpt. I don’t really see how prompting a machine to make music for you is self expression, even if it’s to your exact specifications.

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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Post by michaelt »

namdnay wrote: post #134
zwnow wrote: post #126

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I dont care how you phrase it. Its no secret that art was stolen from artists. Image generation is thievery.

Is it the same if it’s a human doing the learning? If I spend my youth looking at art, I’d any work I then do “theft”?

When it comes to fan art of Disney characters, the legal position is "Disney could sue you for that, but chooses not to as suing fans would be bad PR, don't do anything commercial with it though or they'll sue you for sure"

So - yes, as I understand things it can indeed be illegal even if a human does the learning.

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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Post by risyachka »

benoau wrote: post #32
Waterluvian wrote: post #17

I think the interesting idea with “AI” is that it seems to significantly reduce barriers to entry in many domains. I haven’t seen a company convincingly demonstrate that this affects them at all. Lots of fluff but nothing compelling. But I have seen many examples by individuals, including myself. For years I’ve loved poking at video game dev for fun. The main problem has always been art assets. I’m terrible at art an…

Yep this is a huge enabler - previously having someone "do art" could easily cost you thousands for a small game, a month even, and this heavily constrained what you could make and locked you into what you had planned and how much you had planned. With AI if you want 2x or 5x or 10x as much art, audio etc it's an incremental cost if any, you can explore ideas, you can throw art out, pivot in new directions.

It’s enabler for everyone, so you still don’t have any advantage just like you didn’t before that.

The only difference is you spend less on art but will spend same in other areas.

Literally nothing changed

Re: Will AI be the basis of many future industrial fortunes, or a net loser?

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Post by taurath »

iamacyborg wrote: post #129
Waterluvian wrote: post #17

I think the interesting idea with “AI” is that it seems to significantly reduce barriers to entry in many domains. I haven’t seen a company convincingly demonstrate that this affects them at all. Lots of fluff but nothing compelling. But I have seen many examples by individuals, including myself. For years I’ve loved poking at video game dev for fun. The main problem has always been art assets. I’m terrible at art an…

> It reminds me of what GarageBand or iMovie and YouTube and such did for making music and videos so accessible to people who didn’t go to school for any of that, let alone owned complex equipment or expensive licenses to Adobe Thisandthat. It’s worth reading William Deresiewicz‘ The Death of the Artist. I’m not entirely convinced that marketing that everyone can create art/games/whatever is actually a net positive r…

If people are making art to get rich and failing, it doesn’t kill artists, who’d be making art anyway, it kills the people trying to earn money from their art. Do we need Quad-A blockbuster Ubisoft/Bethesda/Sony/MS/Nintendo releases for their artistic merit, or their publishers/IP owners needs to make money off of it? Ditto the big4 movie studios. Those don’t really seem to matter very much. The whole idea of tastemakers, who they are and whether they should be trusted (indie v/s big studio, grass roots or intentionally cultivated) seems like it ebbs and flows. Right now I’d hate to be one of the bigs, because everything that made them a big is not working out anymore.

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Post by jampekka »

Den_VR wrote: post #139
iamacyborg wrote: post #129

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> It reminds me of what GarageBand or iMovie and YouTube and such did for making music and videos so accessible to people who didn’t go to school for any of that, let alone owned complex equipment or expensive licenses to Adobe Thisandthat. It’s worth reading William Deresiewicz‘ The Death of the Artist. I’m not entirely convinced that marketing that everyone can create art/games/whatever is actually a net positive r…

This reminds me of my preferred analogy: are digital artists real artists if they can’t mix pigment and skillfully apply them to canvas? Not sure why digital artists get mad when I ask. They’re no Michelangelo.

Are assembly programmers real programmers if they can't implement their algorithms by soldering transistors?
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