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TikTok has turned culture into a feedback loop of impulse and machine learning

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Re: TikTok has turned culture into a feedback loop of impulse and machine learning

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I won't even look at a youtube video essay about an obscure vintage RPG (my preferred form of guilty pleasure viewing) if it's under 20 minutes long.

I prefer my movie reviews to be longer in duration than the movies themselves.

How many pizza rolls have you sent to that guy's webzone?

Re: TikTok has turned culture into a feedback loop of impulse and machine learning

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I watched a 2 hour video on the history of computer RPGs, I think it was specific to DND, and found it captivating. Would also like to hear your recs.

I hate this bifurcation. I almost never want 2-hour documentary style videos, yet 1-minute teasers leave me even more dissatisfied. I want 5-minute to 15-minute videos. They can be either overviews or summaries that cover broad stretches or super focused essays that go deeply in depth on just a singular hyper-focused point. Long-form typically means opinionated and written for a lay audience. Filled with unnecessary…

IIRC youtube enables maximum monetization on videos that are at least 10 minutes long. So you end up with a mixed bag of 10-minute videos where some are content that could've been said in a couple of sentences and been 30 seconds, that were stretched out into 10 minutes of filler, and some where the content should've been 30 minutes or more, squished down to just over 10 minutes to try not to have an intimidating video length.

Re: TikTok has turned culture into a feedback loop of impulse and machine learning

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I got addicted to YT shorts for a little while, but I've mostly stopped doomscrolling now as, counter-intuitively, it wasn't addictive enough to keep me engaged. Sure, the first few dozen hours the carefully designed feedback loop keeps you engaged, and then... it wore off, at least for me. The algorithm seemed more interested in pushing what was popular than what I was interested in. I tried gaming it by quickly scr…

YT being riddled with bugs helped me with this one. My Shorts feed sometimes (often) starts looping after 5-6 videos.

Re: TikTok has turned culture into a feedback loop of impulse and machine learning

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For me, the worst part is that it is so hard to go back to previous forms of media. I often delete these short form content apps in an effort to quit them, but it is now so difficult to get engaged with "slower" forms of media. The thing with Tiktok isn't the length of the media, it's just how fast-paced and "catchy" it is. I could watch an hour long fast paced video just fine, but watching a slow paced show, or read…

Probably a good thing then that I've never had TikTok and avoid even opening reels in Instagram, shorts on YouTube and clips in VK, unless someone sent me one.

Re: TikTok has turned culture into a feedback loop of impulse and machine learning

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I won't even look at a youtube video essay about an obscure vintage RPG (my preferred form of guilty pleasure viewing) if it's under 20 minutes long.

Going to need some recommendations

For gaming:

Joseph Anderson, NeverKnowsBest, SuperBunnyHop and MandaloreGaming are the ones that come to mind. They've uncovered so much about games that I never knew was there! :)

I think some would recommend Matthewmatosis, Hbomberguy and Raycevick as well, I'm just less familiar with their work personally.

Re: TikTok has turned culture into a feedback loop of impulse and machine learning

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post #36

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Try the video speed adjustments. Most sites offer 2x now. Up to 4x is getting around, and that's generally going to be past what most people can understand for speech, even with practice. I do a lot of YouTube long-form content but I do a lot of it at 2x or even 2.5x. There's also a lot of such things that are effectively podcasts with irrelevant video backgrounds, or only rarely relevant video, so you can do somethi…

My kid and all of her friends watch video content at 2-4x now all the time, because they just can't seem to get through anything talking at a normal pace. I want to worry about that, but I don't know why it's worrying.

After some pondering, I've come to consider it a generally positive thing. If I compare watching a 1x video to my reading the transcript, I am reading very much faster than the person can normally speak. Cranking the speed up makes it so the video much more approximates a reading speed. You still don't get as much random access and I can generally still read at a speed where I wouldn't be able to comprehend the speech if it was keeping up, but I think being able to handle increased information density is generally a good thing. It also tends to filter out videos that are just noise and flash and such, because any video tuned for simple tickling our lizard hindbrains at 1x is much less appealing at 2x (because if it was more appealing at 2x, that simply would have been the original speed it was served at).

It is also a side effect of the fact that frankly a lot of stuff on YouTube doesn't actually need to be on YouTube and is, as I mentioned in my first post, really just a podcast with a video track because it has to have a video track to be on YouTube, but that is perfectly ignorable. Even channels as high quality as Practical Engineering are (guestimating) something like 80% stock footage and 20% something he actually created that is useful and germane to the topic.

I often have a hard time dealing with videos at 1x as well but it's not like it has impacted my social relationships or anything. I don't perceive normal people as speaking slowly now or anything like that. Somehow my brain has this segregated, and I phrase it that way because it's not like I can consciously take credit for it, I didn't do anything, it's just happening naturally.

Re: TikTok has turned culture into a feedback loop of impulse and machine learning

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You say this like their viewers don't want long videos. They do. I am one of them. So if they started doing what you suggest, I'd stop watching them. There is no sweet spot. Different people have different preferences. Not every Youtuber needs to make 10 minute videos. Not every Youtuber needs to make hour long videos. It depends on their audience. If you don't like hour long videos, that's fine. You're not the inten…

The problem is few creators do cater to this. Maybe we'll get AI summarizers for video soon.

I still see plenty of videos that are around 15-20 minutes long.

Re: TikTok has turned culture into a feedback loop of impulse and machine learning

#169
post #65

TikTok and those consuming it can rot. Some of us will continue to be reading War and Peace level works and watch "lengthy" movies.

IF there will be “lengthy” movies.

There a stock of older movies though, bigger than I can watch in a lifetime, and that's just considering the good ones.

Re: TikTok has turned culture into a feedback loop of impulse and machine learning

#170
I'm not on TikTok and never have been, but I've seen plenty of shortform videos shared elsewhere. Here's the thing about all of them.

They never inform.

The number of video creators I can actually recall and point to who have affected me on any real emotional or intellectual level via shorts I can count on one hand.

"Old-school" longform video (on YouTube and elsewhere) is a medium with real utility and artistic merit. Shorts are mildly entertaining at best and mind-numbing goop at worst. And, as usual, the meme is true: *this could have been a blog post.*

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