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New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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Post by evantbyrne »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #20
Nifty3929 wrote: post #15

It's easy to promise things, but hard to deliver them. How can the state "guarantee no-cost universal child?" Will the state provide the child care itself? Or will the attempt to provide funding, relying on the private market to provide the service. Are there a bunch of underworked child care providers just waiting around for new customers? Or would they expect the child care industry to go on a hiring spree? Regardl…

I drive on roads, I use libraries, I have police and fire protection. My children go to school. My city and state provide services to me and fellow citizens. This is no different, and we pay for it with taxes. I like taxes, with them I buy civilization (which I also am fond of). (The evidence also shows economic benefits of enabling parents to work when they want to by providing childcare) https://illumine.app/blog/h…

As someone who grew up homesteading and seeing the benefits of it, I find it wild that people want to not only send their kids away to school full-time but also institutionalize them afterwards just so they can spend seemingly excessive amounts of time at work. The economic machine demands sacrifices apparently.

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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Post by ambicapter »

chongli wrote: post #105
dzink wrote: post #12

This is fantastic! I hope they succeed and there is no abuse or other issues, because it will show how much an economy can grow when women are allowed to work to their full potential. Families who were previously in poverty because the mom would struggle to pay for childcare to work can now have assurance kids are ok while the mom can pursue jobs, start her own small business (huge chunk of businesses are small busin…

I appreciate your optimism but I’m skeptical. I dated someone who worked in child care (with a degree in ECE). She was quite miserable caring for a dozen screaming babies all day. I think the burnout and turnover for such a job (which requires a degree but still paid minimum wage) is likely to be extremely high. The other thing that doesn’t make sense to me is the economics of it. The pay for the staff is very low bu…

Maybe babies aren't meant to be cared for a dozen at a time? But no, we have to "scale" child-rearing, just like we have to scale everything for greater growth numbers. \s

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Post by bluGill »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #65
alt227 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it will show how much an economy can grow when women are allowed to work to their full potential Why bring gender into it? There are plenty of families who choose to have stay at home Dads while the mother goes back to work full time. We are not in the 1950s any more.

I would suspect the numbers show we're closer to the 1950's than you think. But I'm happy to be proven wrong.

Even if it is only 5% stay at home fathers, that is still 5% that is ignored. Staying at home as a parent isn't the right choice for everyone, but when society assumes that it is only mothers that is a disservice to the fathers who want to (and in some cases the couples who want a parent staying at home but it never occurs to them that it could be dad)

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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Post by Muromec »

declan_roberts wrote: post #122

I'm going to take the reverse position. I don't like this policy. I think it would be much better to provide a one year paid stipend so that a parent can be home with the children during their tender years. This entire structure is set up to keep the boss happy while a stranger raises your child during their most formative and vulnerable years.

>I think it would be much better to provide a one year paid stipend so that a parent can be home with the children during their tender years.

Or just learn from the best proven strategy -- 3 years maternity leave, free childcare from the year of 3, early retirement for grandparents who can be bothered to stay with kids so parents can have some time off.

That of course would be totally haram and communism, so instead the policy is to have immigration from places, but that is also totally haram and communism.

Pick your poison.

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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Post by pavlov »

declan_roberts wrote: post #122

I'm going to take the reverse position. I don't like this policy. I think it would be much better to provide a one year paid stipend so that a parent can be home with the children during their tender years. This entire structure is set up to keep the boss happy while a stranger raises your child during their most formative and vulnerable years.

It's not one or the other. Scandinavian countries provide ample parental leave and also universal childcare.

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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Post by hedora »

ceejayoz wrote: post #140
Aurornis wrote: post #80

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> Would make sense IMO to provide an equal value waiver to those who take care of their kid rather than send them to childcare. This is a great way to kill a policy. It would technically be most fair if every parent was given the same amount of money per child, period. Then they could do what they needed or wanted with it. But doing so would not only increase the costs dramatically (by a multiple) it would give money…

> The more broadly you spread the money, the less benefit each person receives. But this is true in the other direction, too. Means testing costs money, time, and ensures some needy folks fall off the program. For example, Florida did drug testing as a condition for welfare benefits... and it cost more than they saved. https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/us/no-savings-found-in-fl...

It’s a red state, so the goal was probably to waste as much welfare money as possible, while also reducing benefits.

They’re doing this on the federal level now. Most popular government programs have been cut or sabotaged, and as a result the debt is increasing by $4T.

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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Post by hnlmorg »

marknutter wrote: post #149
Aurornis wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You realize a lot of people actually prefer to give their child their best instead of outsourcing it My wife and I staggered our work schedules to minimize the time spent at daycare. The one thing we didn’t expect: The kids absolutely loved daycare. It was a great place with excellent caretakers. Most of all, it was socialization with their friends. From reading sneering interment comments (like the one above) I wa…

There is something sad about not spending as much time as you possibly can with your children in their younger years, though.

You can still have quality time with your children AND send them to day care.

It’s not like boarding school where you’d only see them during the holidays ;)

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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Post by LgWoodenBadger »

chongli wrote: post #105
dzink wrote: post #12

This is fantastic! I hope they succeed and there is no abuse or other issues, because it will show how much an economy can grow when women are allowed to work to their full potential. Families who were previously in poverty because the mom would struggle to pay for childcare to work can now have assurance kids are ok while the mom can pursue jobs, start her own small business (huge chunk of businesses are small busin…

I appreciate your optimism but I’m skeptical. I dated someone who worked in child care (with a degree in ECE). She was quite miserable caring for a dozen screaming babies all day. I think the burnout and turnover for such a job (which requires a degree but still paid minimum wage) is likely to be extremely high. The other thing that doesn’t make sense to me is the economics of it. The pay for the staff is very low bu…

What sort of huge overhead is there that dwarfs the pay for low-paid staff?

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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Post by motorest »

bluGill wrote: post #135
motorest wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Stay at home moms do not provide a less valuable service than childcare providers. I don't know how can anyone arrive at that conclusion. > This policy appears to disincentives children staying with their mother even when it is preferred. This assertion is baffling and far-fetched. There is only one beneficiary of this policy: families who desperately needed access to childcare but could not possibly afford it. Wit…

> With this policy, those who needed childcare but were priced out of the market will be able to access the service they needed. And the rich parents who can afford childcare are also given a subsidy. A married parent who wants to stay home but can't quite afford it is forced to work. Is this really what you want? If it is the poor your care about why not subsidies just them?

> And the rich parents who can afford childcare are also given a subsidy.

That's fine.

> A married parent who wants to stay home but can't quite afford it is forced to work.

I don't get what point you think you're making. Do you believe that not offering universal child care changed that?

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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Post by Der_Einzige »

dzink wrote: post #31
dzink wrote: post #12

This is fantastic! I hope they succeed and there is no abuse or other issues, because it will show how much an economy can grow when women are allowed to work to their full potential. Families who were previously in poverty because the mom would struggle to pay for childcare to work can now have assurance kids are ok while the mom can pursue jobs, start her own small business (huge chunk of businesses are small busin…

This would solve a lot of Republican’s problems as well. Israel has the kibbutz system and they have the highest birth rate of developed economies. They also have amazing tech and women participation and excellent contributions even in the military. If you raise the country’s children well, you get more GDP and less prisons and less need for policing, and less need for welfare programs. Plus you get quality workers f…

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