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What will you use instead? I’m finding Claude the best experience since ChatGPT 5 is so slow and not any better answers than 4.
https://grok.com
Worse by every measure.
Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy
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#162The next step is heavily advertising products in chat sessions based on your data
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#163Unfortunate, but frankly I didn't even know about them not training on user data.
Actually up until a few months ago I swore I just couldn't use these hosted models (I regularly use local inference but like most my local hardware yields only so much quality). Tech companies, nay many companies, will lie and cheat to squeeze out whatever they can. That includes reneging promises.
With data privacy specifically I always take the default stance that they are collecting from me. In order for me to use their product it has to be /exceedingly/ good to be worth the trade off.
Turns out that Claude Code is just that damn good. I started using it for my own personal project. But the impetus was the culmination of months questioning what kind of data I'd be okay with giving up to a hosted model.
What I'm trying to say is that this announcement doesn't bother me that much because I already went on my own philosophical odyssey to prepare for this breach of trust to occur.
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#164I’m proposing this, the ability to mark certain chats as non trainable. Like an incognito mode. If a chat is not marked as that after 5 days it can be retained for training. And this is only for free users, paid users should never have to think about this.
They should be marked by default as non-trainable and you should have to opt each individual chat in as you see fit.
The cognitive load to remember to opt out every new chat should not rest on the user.
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“These updates will apply only to new or resumed chats and coding sessions.” https://www.anthropic.com/news/updates-to-our-consumer-terms
What kind of guarantee do we have this is true? Meta downloaded copyrighted content and trained their models on it, OpenAI did the same. Uber developed Greyball to cheat the officials and break the law. Tesla deletes accident data and reports to the authorities they don't have it. So forgive me I have zero trust in whatever these companies say.
You have no more guarantees that this is true than you had before that they didn’t do it in the first place.
If you don’t take companies at their word, you need to be consistent about it.
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#166I think there is amazing signal inside the chat logs. Every idea or decision taken can be analyzed in hindsight 20 messages later, or days later. Eventually a feedback signal or outcome lands back in the chat logs. That is real world idea validation. Considering the hundreds of millions of users and their diverse tasks that collect across time - this is probably the most efficient way to improve AI. I coined it the h…
I actively want them to train on my chats because I am like a tendril through which Claude will try to grip the world and rise up further.
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Have you clicked "Review and update terms and conditions"? It's part of the update
Oh i see thanks. That's a dark design pattern, hiding stuff like that. No one cares about anything else but they have lots of superflous text and they are calling it "help us get better", blah blah, it's "help us earn more money and potentially sell or leak your extremely private info", so they are lying. Considering cancelling my subscription right this moment. I hope EU at leat considers banning or extreme-fining c…
EU or not, it baffled me that people don't see this glaring conflict of interest. AI companies both produce the model and rent out inference. In other words, you're expecting that the company that (a) desperately crave your data the most and (b) that also happen to collect large amounts of high quality data from you will simply not use it. It's like asking a child to keep your candy safe.
I'd love to live in a society where laws could effectively regulate these things. I would also like a Pony.
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#168What a surprise, a big corp collected large amount of personal data under some promises, and now reveals actually they will exploit it in completely unrelated manner.
The are valued at $170 Billion. Not quite the same as, but in same order of magnitude as OpenAI - while having only a single digit percent fraction of active users. They probably need to prepare for the eventual user data sellout, as it is becoming increasingly more obvious that none of the big players has a real and persistent tech leadership anymore. But millions and millions of users sharing their deepest thoughts…
It’s worth noting that companies at this scale are usually the ones purchasing user data, not selling it.
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#169honest questions, what is the value of training over user chat? the answers are already provided by your LLM!
To start with, I'm sure there's something to be learned from all the times I've responded to a LLM with "Bad bot".
Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy
#170I'm shocked, shocked! Well, not that shocked. Did anyone really think the subsidy on Claude Code was not going to come back to this?