I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.
Did you consider QMK / VIA or other open source variants as keyboard firmware?
The keyboard firmware actually already is QMK-based! https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/qmk_firmware
Framework Laptop 16
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Re: Framework Laptop 16
#162I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.
I'm very happy to see Framework lead the USB power delivery pack by supporting 240W, 48V/5A charging on the Framework 16. As the first company to ship laptops using this spec, what problems or quirks, if any, have you seen from 48V charging in the field?
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why can no laptop manufacturer even make this an option? Because it’s a variation of both the case and the internals that brings a higher failure rate, more dust ingress, more moving parts, and, most importantly, would rarely be chosen. > They are so much slower, They are objectively faster because you can click anywhere rather than moving a finger to a button or keeping one finger always on the button.
Some people used to use a separate finger like the thumb to click, which is pretty fast.
This is my issue! All these years later, I am still not used to it, and I accidentally trigger multi-tap nonsense that I didn't intend because I am trying to click with my thumb.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#164Anyone using Framework for a daily driver that can compare to an M-series Macbook? Specifically, battery life on your OS. Does anything compare to a MBP these days? From a value proposition, it seems good. Our group definitely goes through keyboards and mainboards from spilled tea at least annually it seems, but AppleCare is just a no-brainer, and away we go. I still drive on my original M1 at home without complaint,…
Some interesting discussion around this topic yesterday here - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45019483
Unfortunately I do not think anyone comes remotely close to Apple in the battery life department. I have an M2 Air that I really adore, but after driving Linux on my workstation for the last 2 years I want to explore Linux laptops. All my research has concluded that if you care about longevity, a Mac is the only way to go.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#165Will Framework ever ship high-end laptops, or is the niche always going to be low-to-mid spec repairable? The specification targets on them are always chronically low.
It would be nice to see a 5070 Ti, 5080, or even Quadro-grade RTX 5000 ADA for graphics-oriented workloads. I'm not sure the type-c (200-230w) would be sufficient to run these cards at their reccomended TGP (150w) + CPU (50w) + charge - not that most 16" productivity-oriented notebooks do (70-115W).
The spec says the type-C PSU is 240W, which is faintly terrifying.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#166I love the modularity, but unlike the 13" version this one is just too bulky. For this reason I am eyeing up Thinkpad P1, even though it is only available with an Intel CPU.
Do you mean it's bulky even compared to other 16" laptops, or just that a 16" laptop is too bulky for you? Because I know they're not for everyone but I like larger laptops (am currently on 15.6") and was pleasantly surprised when they came out with the 16" as I thought the trend was generally towards smaller laptops.
Thinkpad P1 is 1.8kg whereas Framework 16" is 2.4kg - substantial difference. And P1 even looks less bulkier overall. This is quite unfortunate, because I would rather buy Framework than Lenovo.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#167I love the modularity, but unlike the 13" version this one is just too bulky. For this reason I am eyeing up Thinkpad P1, even though it is only available with an Intel CPU.
I use a P1 and I don't think I'd buy another. The fan runs a lot. When I carry it in my backpack, I have to remember to do a complete shutdown otherwise I'll pull a very hot machine with a mostly depleted battery out of my backpack when I get to my destination. Outside of Apple, there doesn't seem to be many good fanless laptops. I'd love to see Framework come up with something.
Thanks for the info! My current laptop is T14s Gen 3 which I find perfect, but the screen size is a big insufficient for programming. I will be looking for a 16" laptop and currently there aren't that many options with a centred keyboard.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#168Anyone using Framework for a daily driver that can compare to an M-series Macbook? Specifically, battery life on your OS. Does anything compare to a MBP these days? From a value proposition, it seems good. Our group definitely goes through keyboards and mainboards from spilled tea at least annually it seems, but AppleCare is just a no-brainer, and away we go. I still drive on my original M1 at home without complaint,…
I’ve had an AMD Framework 13 since around its launch. I still love it and much prefer the Linux experience and its customizability over my M2 MacBook Pro. I also love that all the people who worked on it have their names literally on my mainboard—you’re supporting a small business trying to make the industry better, instead of a megacorp doing everything in their power to prevent easy repairs.
The battery life is good enough that I never worry/think about it. The keyboard is fantastic. The trackpad is meh, not terrible but not MacBook great—use a mouse or vim :)
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#169Anyone using Framework for a daily driver that can compare to an M-series Macbook? Specifically, battery life on your OS. Does anything compare to a MBP these days? From a value proposition, it seems good. Our group definitely goes through keyboards and mainboards from spilled tea at least annually it seems, but AppleCare is just a no-brainer, and away we go. I still drive on my original M1 at home without complaint,…
I have a Framework 13 (11th gen i7 + Debian + KDE) and the battery lasts just as long as my M3 Apple laptop. Maybe I get an extra hour out of the Apple one. Nothing major and there’s no stupid nub at the top of the screen.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#170Anyone using Framework for a daily driver that can compare to an M-series Macbook? Specifically, battery life on your OS. Does anything compare to a MBP these days? From a value proposition, it seems good. Our group definitely goes through keyboards and mainboards from spilled tea at least annually it seems, but AppleCare is just a no-brainer, and away we go. I still drive on my original M1 at home without complaint,…
Nothing touches Apple Silicon on battery, including laptops with similar performance per watt. And there's no scenario where, on pretty much any individual performance spec, a FW is going to compete with a Mac.
When I first got a 12th-gen Intel mainboard FW13 with the original 55Wh battery running stock Ubuntu, the battery life at best was I can't speak to the FW16s with 85Wh batteries, but I also don't consider them as being designed with either work or battery life as priorities.
Framework doesn't provide official optimized Linux power management profiles. Community profiles make up some of the difference, but if untuned battery life out of the box is a priority to you, and if you also don't care about the process of replacing its battery, just get a Mac. If Linux is an additional priority to you, get an old M1 or M2 MBP with a low battery cycle count and run Fedora Asahi Remix on it.