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Do I not like Ruby anymore? (2024)

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Re: Do I not like Ruby anymore? (2024)

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Post by zelphirkalt »

troad wrote: post #129
zelphirkalt wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, I agree with this. This is what I usually try in Python. Granted, Python is a way worse vehicle for FP than Elixir is, but I try to keep my procedures as pure functions as far as possible with not too big sacrifices in readability and performance. Most of the time a functional solution can be found, even in Python. And maybe I am a little bit delusional thinking this, but in my experience, when you think deeply…

> Yep, I agree with this. This is what I usually try in Python. Granted, Python is a way worse vehicle for FP than Elixir is, but I try to keep my procedures as pure functions as far as possible with not too big sacrifices in readability and performance. Most of the time a functional solution can be found, even in Python. That's really interesting. The last time I wrote any serious Python was back in the Python 2 era…

To be clear, Python is still no good for FP, when comparing to other languages, including the aforementioned Elixir. Even though the Python ecosystem is huge, few people if any seem to spend any thought on functional data structures. And also you wouldn't be able to use them like in typical FP languages, because you don't get tail call optimization. You can only try your best in Python.

Re: Do I not like Ruby anymore? (2024)

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Post by jjrh »

theshrike79 wrote: post #32
pmkary wrote: post #11

Back when autocompletion and stuff were only available in Visual Studio/Xcode/Other bug IDEs, I was forced to use Ruby and fell in love with it. It didn't matter what I used as my editor was Sublime. But when VSCode came and language features became democratized, I never touched a type-less language again. Why should someone opt for a language with absolutely no features where one can have autocompletion, typecheckin…

LSP (Language Server Protocol) was the final nail in the coffin of Emacs for me. VSCode was "good enough" for pretty much every language with LSP at that point, I did't even bother with Jetbrains ides outside of work after that. And when Obsidian replaced org-mode for me, I deleted my .emacs directory from my dotfiles repository.

It's the muscle memory. I tried really hard to use things like vs code that do a lot of things better (or at least more automatically) and always end up more efficient in emacs.

Hopefully emacs can catch up.

Re: Do I not like Ruby anymore? (2024)

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Post by jjrh »

devoutsalsa wrote: post #41
wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #12

It's the never ending "end"s that bother me about Ruby. class Mess def chaos(x) if x > 0 [1,2,3].each do |i| case i when 1 if i.odd? puts "odd" else puts "even" end when 2 begin puts "trying" rescue puts "failed" end else puts "other" end end else puts "negative" end end end Clear away all those ends and the program logic pops out. Much fresher! class Mess: def chaos(self, x): if x > 0: for i in [1, 2, 3]: match i: c…

I'd love Python if it weren't for whitespace. I wanna cut/paste code into a REPL, and Python makes that difficult.

Begin/end should be optional. Some things would just be so much easier to follow, map/lambda stuff cleaner.

Re: Do I not like Ruby anymore? (2024)

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Post by neutronicus »

zkry wrote: post #61
themafia wrote: post #36

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> LSP (Language Server Protocol) was the final nail in the coffin of Emacs for me. It was the opposite for me. Emacs + LSP + many other common conveniences all bind together so beautifully and efficiently that I can't imagine using any other IDE at this point.

And I have to say that the whole trope of "Emacs may be able to do anything but you have to configure a lot to get it to work" has has got to be pure exaggeration at this point with things like eglot. I had the most painless experience setting up LSP for Java (among many others).

It is in fact pretty true with C++.

Getting everything set up for jump to definition and find references to work with an existing code base ... can be a journey.

If you are at a Visual Studio / XCode shop (where these things have been set up and work) you will definitely be swimming against the stream trying to get emacs to "speak" that codebase.

Re: Do I not like Ruby anymore? (2024)

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Post by valiant55 »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #154
nromiun wrote: post #50

> Python is not my favorite programming language. In fact, allow me to drop the euphemism and express my pure, unadulterated thoughts about it: I never liked Python, I see it as a huge red flag and I think the world would be a better place if we all decided to finally move on from it. Why do people make hating a tool their entire personality? I have noticed this same thing with languages like Go ("oh no Go still bad"…

If you do carpentry and you've previously lost a finger using a saw without a saw-stop, and now table saws with saw-stops are an option, you might rightly hate using table saws without one, to the point you wouldn't be willing to work at a shop that forces you to use one.

Whose forcing you to work at an unsafe shop?

Re: Do I not like Ruby anymore? (2024)

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Post by const_cast »

matltc wrote: post #74
pmkary wrote: post #11

Back when autocompletion and stuff were only available in Visual Studio/Xcode/Other bug IDEs, I was forced to use Ruby and fell in love with it. It didn't matter what I used as my editor was Sublime. But when VSCode came and language features became democratized, I never touched a type-less language again. Why should someone opt for a language with absolutely no features where one can have autocompletion, typecheckin…

As someone coming from Ruby to TypeScript, I find types cumbersome, verbose, complex, and not of much use. I have been writing and reading TS for the past six months. What am I missing?

Typescript is structurally typed, not nominally typed like C# or C++. Lots more type Olympics.

Re: Do I not like Ruby anymore? (2024)

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Post by mixmastamyk »

JeremyNT wrote: post #141
pmkary wrote: post #11

Back when autocompletion and stuff were only available in Visual Studio/Xcode/Other bug IDEs, I was forced to use Ruby and fell in love with it. It didn't matter what I used as my editor was Sublime. But when VSCode came and language features became democratized, I never touched a type-less language again. Why should someone opt for a language with absolutely no features where one can have autocompletion, typecheckin…

I think Ruby is really great at what it tries to do. The only "problem" with it is that python kind of sucked the air out of the room and ruby got shoved into a little niche. These languages are really quite similar in many ways, but their domains ended up diverging. With python becoming the layman / scientific / learning language of choice, ruby has been pigeon holed into mostly web development. Both are really easy…

Python syntax is more intuitive for someone who initially learned C or Java, and for mainstream developers a point in its favor.

Re: Do I not like Ruby anymore? (2024)

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Post by pcthrowaway »

valiant55 wrote: post #166
pcthrowaway wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you do carpentry and you've previously lost a finger using a saw without a saw-stop, and now table saws with saw-stops are an option, you might rightly hate using table saws without one, to the point you wouldn't be willing to work at a shop that forces you to use one.

Whose forcing you to work at an unsafe shop?

The commenter above asked why people hate tools and compared it to a type of screwdriver ("It's not the tools fault, just use the proper tool")

My point is that get hurt by tools that have footguns, and they realize there are superior tools that don't have the footguns, they may come to hate the tool that they cut themselves on

Re: Do I not like Ruby anymore? (2024)

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Post by valiant55 »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #169
valiant55 wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whose forcing you to work at an unsafe shop?

The commenter above asked why people hate tools and compared it to a type of screwdriver ("It's not the tools fault, just use the proper tool") My point is that get hurt by tools that have footguns, and they realize there are superior tools that don't have the footguns, they may come to hate the tool that they cut themselves on

Sorry, I understood but I'm not sure if the analogy is falling apart. My point was that's okay to use a language and determine it's not for you. It's even fine to write a blog post or two with your learnings and takeaways to warn others. It's not okay, as the gp put it, to make hating the language your entire personality.

This problem extends to other domains as well, I'm not sure why as a society we tolerate other people forcing their beliefs on others when they are not being put in harm's way.

If you don't like a language and are going to turn down a job because if their chosen language, that's fine. If you choose not to use a product because of the underlying technology, also fine. It's not fine to demand everyone see things your way and demand they do the same.

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