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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by HPsquared »

jdietrich wrote: post #141
postexitus wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For you - not for 99% of the public.

Millions of British people are already engaged in a cat-and-mouse game against online censorship, for one main reason - football (soccer). If you're a British football fan and want to watch every live televised match, you'll need to pay £75 a month for subscriptions to both Sky Sports and TNT Sports. That won't actually allow you to watch all of the matches that are played , because for weird historical reasons there…

Copyright and censorship involve similar technological issues, but the ethics and legal aspects are totally different.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by SoftTalker »

M95D wrote: post #160
nickdothutton wrote: post #22

Step 1, pass law. Step 2, demand compliance. Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines. Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2). Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc. 5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

We need a DNS server with a history database, not just a cache, preferably with a distributed history database. Visit a website and it was blocked by the "official" DNS? Declare the IP invalid in the webUI (or the browser plugin) of the local DNS and it will get you the previous IP from the database.

/etc/hosts, and /etc/resolv.conf.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by lokar »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #119
lokar wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have fair and competitive elections, no?

Western democracies have fair and competitive elections in the same way they have fair and competitive markets for things like internet access or mobile phones. You are effectively only allowed to choose between a very carefully managed set of choice that are provided to you. This set of choices is often so dire and distant from people's actual desires that many just don't bother voting at all. George Carlin used the…

This is my point. You need to identify the source of the problem if you want to take action. Blaming bureaucrats is not helpful.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by oneshtein »

thedrexster wrote: post #87
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that even work anymore? I thought plain IP addresses were a thing of the past ever since we started doing virtual hosts 25 years ago. I just get a 503 when I use the address you posted...

Put it in your hosts file ;)

What domain name we need to put into hosts file?

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by gherkinnn »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #134
nickdothutton wrote: post #22

Step 1, pass law. Step 2, demand compliance. Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines. Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2). Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc. 5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

IMO this whole situation is ridiculous. #2-#4 are the government trying to impose its national laws on an entity in a completely different country, operating entirely in that completely different country, with no business relationship whatsoever with your country. It's a futile and frankly rather insulting effort; no different from if Iran declared it was illegal for UK women living in the UK to leave the house witho…

Completely besides your point, but Iran mandates a hijab (head scarf, no veil). Burkas (often blue, net in front of face) are mainly found (not sure if mandated or expected) in Afghanistan, whereas the Saudis use niqabs (the black veils). The hijab mandate being the least repulsive.

I know it's an odd nitpick, consider it a compulsion of mine.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by monkey_monkey »

mintplant wrote: post #135
sunshine-o wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the only power they have left. The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.

> The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island What do you mean by this?

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by lupusreal »

macinjosh wrote: post #20

Ofcom's only card now is to have UK ISPs block 4chan. When that happens will Starlink comply? maybe. what if they block X? could get messy fast.

Starlink complies with this sort of stuff in the general case. The only reason they wouldn't in this specific case is if Musk decides to stir up some shit, which to be fair is totally possible.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by SoftTalker »

jdietrich wrote: post #141
postexitus wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For you - not for 99% of the public.

Millions of British people are already engaged in a cat-and-mouse game against online censorship, for one main reason - football (soccer). If you're a British football fan and want to watch every live televised match, you'll need to pay £75 a month for subscriptions to both Sky Sports and TNT Sports. That won't actually allow you to watch all of the matches that are played , because for weird historical reasons there…

I've tried the "IPTV streams" to watch blacked out NHL games, and they are often terribly overloaded or just don't work at all. Not something I'd pay for.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by caesil »

fruitworks wrote: post #41

I wouldn't be so sure it's an ideological stand. 4chan got hacked a while back because they were running a totally outdated software stack. It's been pretty much abandoned by its owner hiromoot. If they aren't going to update the site for basic maintainance, they definitely aren't going to implement all this chat control/ age verification bullcrap. I suppose a resistance to change is good when your competitors are bu…

I wonder what they're going to do when the states mandating age verification for pornographic content start coming for them.

Very similar to these dystopian foreign laws. But because they're US states 4chan will not be able to use the "we only recognize US law" defense.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by kelseyfrog »

macinjosh wrote: post #146
lokar wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

Democracy is a form of government, not an ideology. Just because +50% of an electorate thinks something is OK, doesn't make it so.

Anything can be turned into an ideology, even democracy.
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