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Re: AnduinOS

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Post by FergusArgyll »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #118
neilv wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I'm saying that you are making the advocacy mistake of using the term "free software".

I don't understand this. The software is free. But calling it "free software" is a mistake? And I don't understand the advocacy angle. Is any reference to "free" or "open" in any tech-related conversation automatically advocacy (even if the author did not intend to be an advocate for it)? Genuinely curious. Apologies if it doesn't read like genuine curiosity, I am genuinely curious.

Maybe they're confusing it with snaps?

Re: AnduinOS

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Post by SnuffBox »

KetoManx64 wrote: post #90
tamimio wrote: post #77

I have been distro-hopping since probably around 2004, whenever now someone is asking me what to recommend as a Linux, it’s as follow: - Entry level and everything you will ever need, stable, etc: Mint - Feeling adventures: go with arch or some of its arch-based distros. - Used linux before: NixOS.

Hard to recommend Nix now with how deep a hole they've dug for themselves with their leftist politics, banning of users for their political views and forcing the founder to leave the project over politics. Nix logo is now officially LGBTQ colors according to them.

It's a shame how there are so many developers detached from reality now; the amount of people perfectly fine with acting like squabbling children is exhausting for anybody with more than a passing interest in open source software.

I know there have always been people detached from reality but it seems that there are more now than ever before, like this brand of online insanity is a more recent phenomenon.

Re: AnduinOS

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Post by eadmund »

pjmlp wrote: post #136
k33n wrote: post #91

Why do people keep doing this?

Because instead of trying to improve GNU/Linux to be a solid alternative to Apple, Google and Microsoft offerings, we have politics with everyone doing their own little village. It was one of the reasons I eventually went back to Windows as main driver, yes it sucks for some things, there is M$ and all that, yet when one of my devices breaks down, I can get a replacement on the same day, without dealing with whatever…

> Because instead of trying to improve GNU/Linux to be a solid alternative to Apple, Google and Microsoft offerings, we have politics with everyone doing their own little village.

The politics are required by the fact that we don’t all agree on what improves GNU and Linux versus what makes them worse.

But at least with GNU/Linux we have the freedom to disagree and ‘[do] our own village.’ On Windows, Microsoft decides and users comply. Don’t like Windows 11? Tough! Don’t like some (mis)features of Windows 11? Tough!

Re: AnduinOS

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Post by ZaoLahma »

wsc981 wrote: post #146
tombert wrote: post #69

This actually looks pretty neat, particularly the integration with Flatpak. One thing that confused me when I first went to Linux a million years ago was the difference in how you install stuff. With Windows you download an exe file, double click it, next next next finish, and you have your app installed. With Linux, every distro is slightly different and it's almost never quite as straightforward to people. I think…

I feel the Mac way is preferable, if possible. Download a package (disk image) - macOS automatically extracts to the desktop. Drag and drop the application from the disk image into the /Applications directory. Done. This is the way, I believe, most software should be installed. I understand some stuff might need to touch system files and for that, perhaps a wizard makes sense.

It's neat enough, but I still prefer to not have to download stuff, and instead have the available software in a central repository.

There's a reason why projects like Homebrew exist for Mac.

Re: AnduinOS

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Post by eadmund »

pjmlp wrote: post #152
prmoustache wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> yet when one of my devices breaks down, I can get a replacement on the same day, How many times has it happened in your life? Anyone who uses a computer professionally has a backup ready at all time anyway. These days it is not like it is hard to find a computer with its baseline compatible with linux anyway. An incompatible network chip issue is easily solved with a know USB compatible wifi card. Usually only peop…

I use computers since 1986, UNIX in various flavours since 1992, GNU/Linux since 1995 starting with Slackware 2.0 (kernel 1.0.9, first ELF support), and to this day that is the usual answer in Linux forums. Yet, other than the Netbooks glory days, I am yet to buy a Laptop, even from Linux shops, where everything is 100% supported, or eventually doesn't get broken in some kernel update. I rather use the Linux kernel i…

> Yet, other than the Netbooks glory days, I am yet to buy a Laptop, even from Linux shops, where everything is 100% supported, or eventually doesn't get broken in some kernel update.

Purism’s laptops appear to be well-supported and to hold up well over time.

System76’s too.

Re: AnduinOS

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Post by pjmlp »

eadmund wrote: post #166
pjmlp wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use computers since 1986, UNIX in various flavours since 1992, GNU/Linux since 1995 starting with Slackware 2.0 (kernel 1.0.9, first ELF support), and to this day that is the usual answer in Linux forums. Yet, other than the Netbooks glory days, I am yet to buy a Laptop, even from Linux shops, where everything is 100% supported, or eventually doesn't get broken in some kernel update. I rather use the Linux kernel i…

> Yet, other than the Netbooks glory days, I am yet to buy a Laptop, even from Linux shops, where everything is 100% supported, or eventually doesn't get broken in some kernel update. Purism’s laptops appear to be well-supported and to hold up well over time. System76’s too.

Where can I buy them in Europe, without ordering online?

Additionally, how many posts from online forums do you want with counter-examples from them?

Re: AnduinOS

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Post by pjmlp »

eadmund wrote: post #164
pjmlp wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because instead of trying to improve GNU/Linux to be a solid alternative to Apple, Google and Microsoft offerings, we have politics with everyone doing their own little village. It was one of the reasons I eventually went back to Windows as main driver, yes it sucks for some things, there is M$ and all that, yet when one of my devices breaks down, I can get a replacement on the same day, without dealing with whatever…

> Because instead of trying to improve GNU/Linux to be a solid alternative to Apple, Google and Microsoft offerings, we have politics with everyone doing their own little village. The politics are required by the fact that we don’t all agree on what improves GNU and Linux versus what makes them worse. But at least with GNU/Linux we have the freedom to disagree and ‘ [do] our own village.’ On Windows, Microsoft decide…

And that is why the likes of Microsoft, Apple and Google win the hearts of consumers, and developers that are't into FOSS dogmas.

Too many people busy fighting among themselves instead of a common goal.

Divide and conquer.

Re: AnduinOS

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Post by wolvesechoes »

eadmund wrote: post #164
pjmlp wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because instead of trying to improve GNU/Linux to be a solid alternative to Apple, Google and Microsoft offerings, we have politics with everyone doing their own little village. It was one of the reasons I eventually went back to Windows as main driver, yes it sucks for some things, there is M$ and all that, yet when one of my devices breaks down, I can get a replacement on the same day, without dealing with whatever…

> Because instead of trying to improve GNU/Linux to be a solid alternative to Apple, Google and Microsoft offerings, we have politics with everyone doing their own little village. The politics are required by the fact that we don’t all agree on what improves GNU and Linux versus what makes them worse. But at least with GNU/Linux we have the freedom to disagree and ‘ [do] our own village.’ On Windows, Microsoft decide…

This freedom is a comfort of toothless and powerless. FOSS crowd do not have a power to enact a real change and really liberate computer users, so they comfort themselves by escaping to their small digital fiefdoms.

Re: AnduinOS

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Post by flas9sd »

keyringlight wrote: post #95
flas9sd wrote: post #43

it's pretty straightforward to change: a makefile, some preset variables in a .sh, then it iterates through https://github.com/Anduin2017/AnduinOS/tree/5bbd94d9c4fa455e... - the tree also points at the gnome-extensions it uses to create and mod the global menu. can't be too hard to rebase onto Debian (the superior .deb distribution). I put it on 2 endof10 laptops as whatever I do every few years, kde just doesn't sti…

This approach is something I wonder about versus the freedom to fragment with a thousand full distros, each with their own maintenance staff (and burden of supporting what they release if they want to be taken seriously) and experimenting with something. I think there's value in experimenting and exploring new directions, but it would be overall beneficial if there were efforts to consolidate or make it an easy to en…

addressing that concern, the dev blog roadmap[1] lays out the plan to commonize in the 1.4 version cycle with completion in v1.5 to

> .. establish our own apt software repository, managing all changes directly via dpkg. [..] This also allows other Linux distributions like Debian to install AnduinOS's customizations easily

[1]: https://news.anduinos.com/post/2025/5/21/anduinos-future-dev...

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