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Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by blargey »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #80

I kind of hated this essay. Not because I really disagree with the conclusions, but it seems to lump all forms of "shamelessness" into the same bucket. I'm fine with "shamelessness" if it's just bucking societal norms and conventions that have often been there so long that we've forgotten what they were ever about in the first place. But I find it deeply, deeply sad when we see so much shamelessness these days that i…

That distinction boils down to thoughtfully considering whether or not an act ought to invoke shame - if you can, in good faith towards others, conclude the act shouldn't be shameful in the first place, then it could hardly be called "shameless" to do it.

Contrast that with acting out specifically because it's shameful, as a social/media tactic instead of a considered moral stance.

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by nextworddev »

thr0w wrote: post #63
nextworddev wrote: post #38

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Well who cares about looking like a clown, considering there’s millions of them on LinkedIn and TikTok. Shame is diluted every day and no one cares

> Well who cares about looking like a clown A lot of people, almost instinctively, and for good reason.

Playing devil’s advocate, but “clown” is subjective and relative, which means the most serious people are sometimes clowns unbeknownst to them lol

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by woooooo »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #154
woooooo wrote: post #106

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> trying to shame them into not doing it is pointless. Speak for yourself, its at least satisfying. Insult their choice of music and provide suggestions for what they should play instead.

It gets tiring. I'm willing to fight a certain amount for some kind of social norms that respect other people. But honestly, if every bus trip needs to turn into a confrontation, it gets old fast.

Fair enough, I actually only did that once or twice.

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Post by arkey »

b_e_n_t_o_n wrote: post #149
arkey wrote: post #96

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In this paradigm you describe, should we then strive to be authentic or should we refrain? Don't you think this would open the doors to an endless amount of bad behaviours?

Yes. No.

What if my authentic feeling and behaviour was to slap you in the face and laugh at you because you answered 'Yes.' to an 'either/or' question?

The problem is that for humanity, unrestrained behaviour will very quickly degrade into horrible things. There's scientific evidence for that, if everyday life is not proof enough for you.

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by snapcaster »

jurking_hoff wrote: post #133
snapcaster wrote: post #131

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What are you talking about? can you point to a single instance of this happening? 20th century seems to contradict you pretty hard

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japan? pacified by a powerful military occupying them and removing their military completely. i don't see how this makes the point

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by nickpinkston »

samrus wrote: post #109
uniq7 wrote: post #101

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As someone not familiar with the term, I don't really understand the concept, and Wikipedia's definition doesn't look specific enough: > generally describes creative works that expand upon and break away from concepts of postmodernist irony and cynicism. That basically refers to anything that is not irony and cynicism, isn't it?

Like anything in culture and art, its opaque if you dont know the context, because its all a long conversation where everything is a repsonse to something before. This i feel is a response to how irony and cynicism (which were responses to dogmatic cult like obedience) get tiring and at some point people want sincerity rather than just poking fun at thing You know how people now hate the "umm that just happened" styl…

Well said, and I really like the idea of shamelessness being in relation to earnestness and cynicism.

A lot of times the earnest promotion of an authentic belief can still come off as shameless, but the audience often still finds that mostly endearing if still cringe.

However, I feel like the "as a strategy" part of the title implies that it is not just shameless, but also mainly a cynical strategy - as in "having no shame about lying", not just " having no shame about my authentic special interest".

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by nickpinkston »

svara wrote: post #98
nickpinkston wrote: post #8

I kind of agree with Nadia's analysis of what's happening, but it's a fucking cursed reality. Here's hoping for a New New Sincerity to bring us back. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_sincerity

I didn't know this term but it really resonates. A general lack of seriousness in nearly everything is a defining aspect of our time, it seems.

Yea, this "lack of seriousness" really gets under my skin, and I really hope there's a broad cultural backlash to it soon, as this being the permanent culture seems toxic and exhausting.

That said, this is about the messaging aspect. Trump say could lack seriousness of rhetoric, but still be seriously pursuing his self-interests.

Re: Shamelessness as a strategy (2019)

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Post by llllm »

lovich wrote: post #148
b_e_n_t_o_n wrote: post #59

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Give us some examples.

Hacker news told me to stop posting so fast (i.e. i pissed people off enough to flag) but belatedly, the UK has A.S.B.O.s, Germany has many laws and regulations against speech and being part of extremist groups. Both countries seem to be doing fine compared to the global competition

That means you have been shadow banned, you’ll need a new account.
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