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Nobody’s buying homes, nobody’s switching jobs, America’s mobility is stalling

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Re: Nobody’s buying homes, nobody’s switching jobs, America’s mobility is stalling

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I've been casually job hunting for a couple months since rounds of layoffs started at my company. I've applied to umpteen places and haven't had a single callback. In my twenty+ years working as a dev, this is the worst I've seen it since about 2005.

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Re: Nobody’s buying homes, nobody’s switching jobs, America’s mobility is stalling

#162

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You'd have to have some guarantee that the government would never alter the amount of inflation they create for that to be reasonable

No one can guarantee that but if you place your dollars into assets, those assets will inflate.

Then you have a bunch of assets, not money.

Re: Nobody’s buying homes, nobody’s switching jobs, America’s mobility is stalling

#163
post #149

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And do they a) qualify for normal mortgage products b) need another $50-100k dumped into them immediately to be habitable.

Yes they do, there are many normal houses which can be bought for very cheap just spend some time on Zillow looking at areas outside of major metro areas. You could very easily live in a big city and work a job to save up 50k or a down payment for a 50k mortgage and then buy one of these cheap houses to live in. But most people don’t want to do that. They want nice weather and fun things to do, access to a good job m…

The demand isn’t there because there is no supply of money… it’s much safer for your life/family if you live in an area with an abundance of employers and not a small town with very few employers and low wages.

Also these areas have poor education systems for kids.

Re: Nobody’s buying homes, nobody’s switching jobs, America’s mobility is stalling

#164
post #10

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> Even if you sell your house for a million dollar where will You move to? Literally anywhere in the "bottom" 99% of the country by real estate costs?

And what would you do there? Are there enough jobs in those areas?

Hackers often work or consult remotely to where they live.

Re: Nobody’s buying homes, nobody’s switching jobs, America’s mobility is stalling

#165
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Because you've all treated housing as a financial instrument, instead of what it should be: safety for your family.

The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent, and in a world where every home is priced this way it’s not like you could go to an alternative housing market.

Are you sure?

Re: Nobody’s buying homes, nobody’s switching jobs, America’s mobility is stalling

#166

It's basically illegal to build dense homes in most cities. And despite what people say, the vacancy rate is at historic lows so its not just "people are keeping them empty" Its a disgrace that people deny the supply crunch we are in

Devil's advocate, I don't think we should keep building more housing insofar as it encourages population growth (which it does). Like highways, there will always be barely enough, no matter how many lanes/houses we build. But population growth is the overwhelming factor in all of our sustainability issues.

The reason there will never be enough lanes is not population growth. It's that we generally don't provide people with alternatives to driving, and adding more lanes just makes even more people have to drive, since things get even farther apart.

Re: Nobody’s buying homes, nobody’s switching jobs, America’s mobility is stalling

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Mobility is not just about assisting the those in need, its also about having opportunities for advancement. If you're trapped in a job because of its health coverage, that's restricting mobility. People can' take the risk on changing jobs/locations or even something like starting their own businesses because of the would lose coverage and don't have the wealth to self-pay. If you're working so many hours just to cov…

> Mobility is not just about assisting the those in need, its also about having opportunities for advancement. I think it's really hard to do one without improving the other. They're inextricably linked. I only like to focus on the first one because it's easier and the ROI is higher.

I absolutely agree that its important, but social assistance for the poor is just one facet of bigger picture that is exponentially growing inequality of which reduced mobility is a symptom. Another counter-measure is raising minimum wages which can have a huge ROI for those who work long hours for such low pay. And despite all the rich people on TV warning us of the doom that would befall the economy by paying hard working poor people more, ultimately when pay does go up it turns out ok. Having unions also helps improve wages, conditions, and overall quality of life for workers - even those not in unions. But unions are under hard assault. Another could be to stop actively supporting these stupidly high salaries to CEOs by capping how much of those pay packages can be a tax deductible expense for corporations. The list goes on. Ultimately the american public, whether pinky liberal or staunch conservative, do want the ideal of the american dream of being able to work hard and succeeding. No one is voting to work forever in debt slavery to a hereditary aristocracy, but that is where we're headed.

Re: Nobody’s buying homes, nobody’s switching jobs, America’s mobility is stalling

#168

In a way this is the ultimate goal of conservatism in its literal sense to conserve. The rich want have their place in society safely entrenched at the top, with no risk of people rising from below to displace them. Those at the bottom should stay locked in there and work and toil because that is the natural order of things.

Oh cool you've nominally gone after the rich and then pointed at the middle class again. I'm sure this will make you and your ideas popular.

Yeah, I don't know what this means.

Re: Nobody’s buying homes, nobody’s switching jobs, America’s mobility is stalling

#169
post #45

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There are many places in the US where you can buy a house for less than 50k. If you want prices to drop in popular areas then we have to make it easy for people to actually build houses and increase supply in popular areas. Of course giving homeowners a say about whether housing is allowed to be built near them, of course they are going to vote against it because they have an incentive to keep prices high.

I think it’s natural for homeowners to be resistant to new builds in the same way office workers hated the move to cubicles. I was in the Midwest recently and it was wild to see a block of high density houses in the middle of farmland. Houses that look exactly the same, shoved onto tiny lots with little gap between them, and surrounded by miles of corn. These are obviously attractive to developers as they are maximiz…

For whatever reason, those houses get snapped up quick. I've lived in the midwest my whole life, and those cornfield subdivisions are hugely popular. I have a house near a small city, and I've had numerous friends and family ask me why I would live where I am rather than in one of the "much better subs".

I don't think people quite wrap their head around the fact that the US population love their cars and their huge subdivisions. A massive percentage of the US have no desire for walkable cities.

It is a bizarre alien thought to me, too, but it has become very clear to me.

Re: Nobody’s buying homes, nobody’s switching jobs, America’s mobility is stalling

#170
post #45

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There are many places in the US where you can buy a house for less than 50k. If you want prices to drop in popular areas then we have to make it easy for people to actually build houses and increase supply in popular areas. Of course giving homeowners a say about whether housing is allowed to be built near them, of course they are going to vote against it because they have an incentive to keep prices high.

I think it’s natural for homeowners to be resistant to new builds in the same way office workers hated the move to cubicles. I was in the Midwest recently and it was wild to see a block of high density houses in the middle of farmland. Houses that look exactly the same, shoved onto tiny lots with little gap between them, and surrounded by miles of corn. These are obviously attractive to developers as they are maximiz…

It's unlikely that the people in that rural subdivision are driving two hours a day for work. In the US Midwest, you're rarely more than 30 minutes from a town large enough to have some jobs. For instance, there's a town of 1100 near me that has a veterinarian, general store, post office, gas station, auto mechanic, school, a couple bank branches, and so on, which all employ people, some at pretty good salaries. And within ten miles of that town, there are a couple of those little blocks of suburb-looking houses like you describe.

Or the people living in them might be retired, or work from home, or work on local farms. Whatever the case, they're not driving a long way for work.

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