How soon can I update my raspberry pi 5 from Bookworm to Trixie? Does PiOS have to initiate that first?
The images are a bit out of date, but check out https://raspi.debian.net/
Debian 13 “Trixie”
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Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”
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You can install debian and ubuntu with same DE and you'd be hard pressed to find a difference apart from the theme unless you are a power user who knows what snap is. In fact, Ubuntu has never been an especially user friendly distro. At the beginning it was just a debian that was installed with debian's experimental installer before they decided to use it in stable. Nothing more, nothing less. If you wanted to find a…
>The only specific thing Ubuntu did for beginners is sending CDs for free Assuming you are not malicious I will kindly help with your bad memory, Ubuntu had always very good proprietary driver support, this made laptops actually work and helped beginners. I also remember they had a graphical installer compared to Debian and for sure this was beginners friendly. Maybe some other distro offered easy way to install and…
the graphical installer was debian's new experimental installer. They just decided to release a stable distro before debian with it.
Proprietary driver installation was the sole reason of existence of Linux Mint which was a fork of ubuntu, so your memory is incorrect.
Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”
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The maintainer has a short explanation here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1098866#10 > The webapp is a nodejs app that requires packages that are not currently in debian. Since vendoring dependencies inside packages is frowned upon in Debian, the maintainer would have needed to add those packages themselves and maintain them. My guess is that they didn't want to take on that effort.
> but several features in ntfy won't be available through debian packaging due to missing golang and nodejs packages Woah. Shouldn’t Node and Golang be in Debian’s official repos by now?
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Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”
#164I can't believe we've come to such a high number, and a particularly lucky one at that Alas it's still not suitable as a daily driver for the average home user and probably never will be. It is unfortunate that Ubuntu has to reign supreme in that regard.
> Alas it's still not suitable as a daily driver for the average home user and probably never will be.
Why not?
My family members need little more than a web browser, media player, and office suite. Debian Stable is very suitable here; arguably more so than other distros, which tend to require maintenance more often.
Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”
#165As an owner of two i386 systems (both netbooks built around Intel's Atom N270), that run Debian, I am a little sad. I understand the reasoning, and I won't deny it is a very niche platform by now. But I had hoped Debian, with a history of supporting a wide range of platforms, would keep i386 going for a while longer. Fortunately, bookworm will continue to receive updates for almost 3 years, so I am not in a hurry to…
Alpine supports i686, I see no current deprecation plans. This may change in the next three years though, who knows.
Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”
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As I understand it, snap the package format is not proprietary. Its as open source as say flatpak. What is proprietary is Canonical official snap store, and they patch their version of snap to only use that store. It'd be the same as flatpak being tied to only flathub. Of course that goes against the spirit of FOSS, but there's a bit more nuance there than simply saying "snaps are proprietary".
Snaps don't just suck from an ideological but also practical perspective, as described for Thunderbird. Firefox on Ubuntu has also serious permission issues with webcam support OOTB even experts are struggling with (involving AppArmor, pipewire, snap, and FF device config). and has become unusable for things like browser-only MS Teams on mainstream notebooks. Containers, popular as they may be on servers, can only ad…
In addition, applications under snap are much slower to start. That's just not acceptable.
Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”
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If you are making your own distro, creating your own flatpak store is trivial, that's all what matters. Linux Mint doesn't use snap exactly because Canonical forces everyone to use their snap store.
Canonical doesn't force anyone to use anything. Snap is open source, just modify it to use a different store if you want. Mint literally forked a zombie DE, but changing a few lines of code in snap is an issue...
Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”
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> after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. In what way Ubuntu went downhill?
The alternative question to ask is: in what way has it gone uphill versus just using Debian? In the early days it had a differing and usually better aligned release schedule for the critical graphics stack. As a function of time, you are increasingly likely to get rug pulled once Shuttleworth decides to collect his next ransom.
> in what way has it gone uphill versus just using Debian?
Their lawyers' willingness to risk shipping pre-built zfs kernel modules (that are always in sync with the kernel). Pretty important if you're into that sort of thing, it's easier to remove cruft once post-install than to keep an eye on DKMS for years (making sure that it hasn't disassembled itself and continues working).
Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”
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Hopefully i386 (or perhaps a new i386-like port with added support for 64-bit time values) can move to the unofficial Debian Ports infrastructure for Debian 14 (forky) or Debian 15 (duke). Debian Ports has a m68k port, so supporting one for i386 shouldn't be a huge problem.
To what end? Outside of sheer nostalgia if you are running ancient hardware, you probably have a bespoke application which requires that environment. Either you cannot change for hard technical, compliance, or just fear of the unknown. Firewall it from the internet and continue to run whatever release last worked. I am not happy about unnecessary ewaste, but an i386 almost certainly has and order of magnitude less ho…
According to Passmark the Pentinum 4 1.3Ghz is 55 times slower than a Raspberry Pi 5, so I'd guess it's at least two orders of magnitude. The original Pi is 16 times faster than a P4 1.3Ghz...
You can recycle e-waste (and yes, I know SOME e-waste ends up in China/India/etc. Not all does.)
The e-waste is of substantially less concern than the massive difference in carbon footprint from power consumption.
Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”
#170Thank you to all the Debian volunteers that make Debian and all its derivatives possible. It's remarkable how many people and businesses have been enabled by your work. Thank you! On a personal note, Trixie is very exciting for me because my side project, ntfy [1], was packaged [2] and is now included in Trixie. I only learned about the fact that it was included very late in cycle when the package maintainer asked fo…
Thank you for ntfy, it's such a useful piece of software!