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Re: EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

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Post by extraduder_ire »

sunshine-o wrote: post #86
Y_Y wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratification_of_the_Treaty_of_... Like when the Irish electorate rejected the Lisbon Treaty, and then was then harangued into accepting a reheated version. Opponents of the treaty reasonably asked if it could be best-of-three.

The Dutch and French also massively rejected the first version of this in 2005. Strangely they didn't bothered to ask the citizens the second time. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Dutch_European_Constituti... - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_French_European_Constitut...

Calling what would become the Lisbon treaty a "constitution" was always going to be a losing proposal.

Re: EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

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Post by lII1lIlI11ll »

emptysongglass wrote: post #155
efitz wrote: post #44

Do citizens in the EU actually want this? If not, how are EU politicians so disconnected from their citizens? How did this state of affairs come to be? Is it reversible? In the US, our politicians don’t diverge quite as much, but when they do, the reason is money, and when it gets bad, we throw the bums out and elect populists. It’s not pretty and it’s messy but it self corrects with the next election if it doesn’t w…

Danish journalists refuse to inform the public about this. The moderators of r/denmark are also currently blocking any submissions of this story to the subreddit.

> The moderators of r/denmark are also currently blocking any submissions of this story to the subreddit.

Can you shed more light on situation in Denmark? Why is this happening?

Re: EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

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Post by lII1lIlI11ll »

pmg101 wrote: post #117

Something the HN discussion on this topic just like the UK online safety act seems to ignore is that this kind of legislation has broad support among voters. I'd say in general people are more concerned about The Bad People than about privacy. Probably because they mostly trust their governments, certainly more than they trust Big Tech.

> Probably because they mostly trust their governments, certainly more than they trust Big Tech.

Then why would they want big-tech employees to look at their nudes flagged by automated dumb scanning and unbeknown to them sent for human verification?

Re: EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

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Post by okucu »

gotoeleven wrote: post #118
okucu wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can only speak for Germany and the mass deportations here are done by liberals. They also let 40k+ people drown in the Mediterranean, support literally every single war, support multiple genocides and export weapons to all dictatorships known to man. At this point I'm not sure the actual Nazis would be worse than liberals. Also very weird how whenever "liberals/centrists" are in power the (ultra) right gain lots of m…

What "mass" deportations in germany are you talking about? I can only find any news references to two flights, totaling ~100 people in the past year. Surely even a normal level of deportations, let alone "mass" deportations, would generate more deportations than this? And you're really not sure this is less draconian than nazis?

20k people were deported in 2024. That's not insignificant.

Anyway, let's assume germany deported 0 people. It's telling that you're focusing in typical liberal manner on a single issue and disregarding everything else (war, genocide, recession, submission to usa as a vassal state etc.)

Re: EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

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Post by emptysongglass »

lII1lIlI11ll wrote: post #162
emptysongglass wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Danish journalists refuse to inform the public about this. The moderators of r/denmark are also currently blocking any submissions of this story to the subreddit.

> The moderators of r/denmark are also currently blocking any submissions of this story to the subreddit. Can you shed more light on situation in Denmark? Why is this happening?

Danes are very proud of Denmark. It's a tiny country. There's a sense that we need to protect this tiny state from criticism because it's taken care of us. We've given the world Lego, Hans Christian Andersen, and we rank in the top two happiest countries in the world according to terrible measurements.

So now we're the baddies, what do we do? We don't mention it. Ignorance is bliss.

Re: EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

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Post by OldfieldFund »

rc_mob wrote: post #107
efitz wrote: post #44

Do citizens in the EU actually want this? If not, how are EU politicians so disconnected from their citizens? How did this state of affairs come to be? Is it reversible? In the US, our politicians don’t diverge quite as much, but when they do, the reason is money, and when it gets bad, we throw the bums out and elect populists. It’s not pretty and it’s messy but it self corrects with the next election if it doesn’t w…

The USA elected a fascist and will be lucky to have fair voting ever again. So we're not really qualified to comment on any other country doing anything.

two things can be bad at the same time. also US is not the end all be all of things

Re: EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

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Post by Levitz »

debugnik wrote: post #152
Levitz wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Vote for an opposition which promises mass deportations? Certainly, they will never go back on their word to create a surveillance state?!? Not quite a fan of deportations, but I'd rather risk people going back on their word than the alternative here. I wholeheartedly refuse to vote for anyone who publicly supports this. It is integral to democracy itself. If my only alternative is "The party of kicking kittens and…

Kicking kittens makes it sound simpler of a choice than it really is, because you're not a kitten and you could protect yours. Would you vote for "the party of beating people like Levitz and opposing chat control"?

I'd probably start playing with the idea of leaving the country and advise people I know to do the same, at that point the country is not a democracy anymore either way. Hopefully I don't have to point out how there's a massive difference between that and considering mass deportations.

Re: EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

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Post by izacus »

mirko22 wrote: post #153
izacus wrote: post #146

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Please stop spreding this bullshit.

How is this BS? Where is democracy in Von der Leyen making deal with USA for example, who voted for that? Most of the representatives there are local tokens that are there to pull EU money in the pockets of their parties. EU is artificial state made only out of interest of political elites.

Provide proof for your claims please.

Re: EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

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Post by izacus »

wqaatwt wrote: post #150
izacus wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please stop spreding this bullshit.

In what way exactly is it bullshit? For better or for worse the core institution or decision making processes were never designed to be democratic in any meaningful way.

Because it is bullshit without any basis and doesn't fit the reality which is modelled after most democracies on the planet. And no, I'm not going to play the game where you spew out whatever comes to mind and then I do work to debunk your claims. Do the legwork and prove your BS.

Re: EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

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Post by izacus »

vaylian wrote: post #88
azmodeus wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vote them out and never vote for their parties in your general elections If your Member of European Parliament supports chat control stop voting for their parties and politically support their opposition

I agree. But also: I've been doing that for a long time already. The problem is that these surveillance laws don't get enough attention by the general public until they come into effect. For example: The UK's online safety act.

So make general public aware of them. Campaign. Inform. That's how democracies work. Don't expect others do to the legwork for your pet case.
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