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AWS deleted my 10-year account and all data without warning

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Re: AWS deleted my 10-year account and all data without warning

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

floating-io wrote: post #12

My fear of this sort of thing happening is why I don't use github or gitlab.com for primary hosting of my source code; only mirrors. I do primary source control in house, and keep backups on top of that. It's also why nothing in my AWS account is "canonical storage". If I need, say, a database in AWS, it is live-mirrored to somewhere within my control, on hardware I own, even if that thing never sees any production t…

Personally, I'm concerned that my git repositories exist on my own host, the same host which has the SSH key to push to all the public mirrors.

I wish there were some service which would _pull_ my public git repositories, but not allow me to delete anything without a ~90day waiting period.

Re: AWS deleted my 10-year account and all data without warning

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Post by [deleted] »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #10
jsiepkes wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wild that people don't realize that these "separate" systems in AWS all share things like the same control plane.

That is wrong in every way possible. Each service is isolated, has its own control plane, and often even split into multiple cells. Source: I worked there. https://docs.aws.amazon.com/wellarchitected/latest/reducing-...

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Re: AWS deleted my 10-year account and all data without warning

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Post by jsiepkes »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #125
akerl_ wrote: post #19

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You’ve missed the point by leaning into your pedantry. The point is that from the perspective of vendor/platform risk (things like account closure, billing disputes, etc), all of AWS is the same basket, even if you use multiple regions and services.

I dismissed the claim that they share a single control panel across services because it is false. I dismissed that claim alone and talked about nothing else. The comment I replied to added nothing to the conversation except an unsubstantiated and plainly false remark. > Wild that people don't realize that these "separate" systems in AWS all share things like the same control plane. This comment does not say anything…

> must have been made from somebody utterly unaware of how big cloud teams operate.

Nice, an attack on the person rather then the argument. Made from an anonymous Internet account.

> Seems that this community has lost the ability to reason and converse and would rather be outraged.

This might be a good time to reflect on your own online behavior.

Re: AWS deleted my 10-year account and all data without warning

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Post by speeder »

robotnikman wrote: post #160
SanjayMehta wrote: post #133

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Or if the one employee who created the account and was paying for it on his personal credit card and then got laid off. And no one else in the company knew what GitHub was.

Is there a story behind this oddly specific comment?

Not op but I saw this happen kinda maliciously...

Company was founded by "visionary" CEO that is an sculptor and doesn't understand tech.

Most crucial employee is young guy hired right out of college.

Company now has 50+ developers, but the critical software is still made by that guy several years later.

Critical guy still get recent graduate salary, notices he is actually the most important person in the company, and asks for a raise.

Company denies his raise. He quits. Company hire a bunch of developers from cheap third world countries to replace him...

Company learns: 1. All software guy made a bit before he asked for a raise was on his personal, not company github. 2. The software is in other programming languages, not the one the company uses normally. 3. Everything the guy wrote since he joined the company, is extremely difficult to maintain, guy is a genius and all his code is correct, clean and well made, but his thought patterns and how they end in the code are just too different, and all people that worked with him before also were geniuses and didn't care the code was "crazy".

Note: the "other geniuses" mentioned above, also quit when other companies made them great offer and the stingy employer refused them a raise too.

Re: AWS deleted my 10-year account and all data without warning

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Post by CRConrad »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #70
OutOfHere wrote: post #48

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You clearly haven't worked much with code over many years. When laptops change, not all existing projects get checked out. In fact, in VSCode, one can use a project without cloning and checking it out at all.

Honestly I'm just really wondering what the odds are. In particular for code that made it onto git.

> In particular for code that made it onto git.

By “onto git”, do you mean “onto GitHub”? I really wish people would stop conflating the two.

In fact, I can't tell whether this confusion is just another symptom of, or a (major?) part of the reason for, why we're in the mess we're in.

Re: AWS deleted my 10-year account and all data without warning

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Post by CRConrad »

seuros wrote: post #122
Tohsig wrote: post #77

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Fully agree. It's the same reason why you wouldn't put a repo on Github and then mirror that repo to Github . At a minimum any good mirror would be on a different provider, and ideally (if we get real picky) on a completely different cloud service.

When you put a repo in Github, everybody that forked or clone that repo become a Mirror.

No.

Re: AWS deleted my 10-year account and all data without warning

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Post by CRConrad »

lamontcg wrote: post #93
spiralcoaster wrote: post #37

The amount of self-aggrandizing and lack of self awareness tells me this author is doing to do all of this again. This post could be summed up with "I should have had backups. Lesson learned", but instead they deflect to whining about how their local desktop is a mess and they NEED to store everything remotely to stay organized. They're going to dazzle you with all of their hardened bunker this, and multiple escape r…

> Me: “You’re answering like I’m Piers Morgan asking ‘Do you condemn October 7th?’ and you reply with historical complexity dating to 1948.” Yeah... If I'm working tickets at AWS that kind of dickishness is going to ensure that I don't do more than the least amount of effort for you. Maybe I could burn my entire weekend trying to see if I can rescue your data... or maybe I'm going to do nothing more than strictly fol…

> that kind of dickishness is going to ensure that I don't do more than the least amount of effort for you.

For one thing, IMO that wasn't all that dickish.

For another, they arguably didn't even do the least amount of effort; they didn't do anything at all.

For a third, the sheer gall of asking for five-star reviews after that firmly puts the “support” droids in the wrong, no matter what.

Re: AWS deleted my 10-year account and all data without warning

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Post by CRConrad »

akerl_ wrote: post #76
anonymars wrote: post #63

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Did you read the article? > According to them, AWS MENA was running some kind of proof of concept on “dormant” and “low-activity” accounts. Multiple accounts were affected, not just mine. If AWS has a 90-day closure policy, why was this account deleted so quickly?

"did you read the article" is the canonical example of what not to put in comments here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Sure. But so is posting comments that clearly show one didn't read the article.

Or at least, if it isn't, it certainly should be.

Re: AWS deleted my 10-year account and all data without warning

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Post by CRConrad »

foundry27 wrote: post #80
ageitgey wrote: post #64

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I didn't get an AI vibe from this post. Grammar checkers add em dashes, too. If anything, an AI tool would have written a shorter, less rambling post.

It’s easy to be fooled, myself included it seems :) For context, here’s a handful of the ChatGPT cues I see. - “wasn’t just my backup—it was my clean room for open‑source development” - “wasn’t standard AWS incompetence; this was something else entirely” - “you’re not being targeted; you’re being algorithmically categorized” - “isn’t a system failure; the architecture and promises are sound” - “This isn’t just about…

Yeah, that bullshit has been debunked all over the net for quite a while now; there are lots of us old farts who write exactly like that, and none of us is an “AI”. Idunno, maybe on aggregate we're so prolific that the material they're training the LLMs on contains a disprodportionate amount of our style or something.

Anyway, your talk about the author “undermining his own credibility” for writing like many humans just because some simplistic fake “intelligences” also write like those humans is totally wrong. The solution is not for people to have to change their writing style, but for you gullibles to stop thinking this is “a tell” — because it isn't.

Re: AWS deleted my 10-year account and all data without warning

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Post by SanjayMehta »

robotnikman wrote: post #160
SanjayMehta wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or if the one employee who created the account and was paying for it on his personal credit card and then got laid off. And no one else in the company knew what GitHub was.

Is there a story behind this oddly specific comment?

Happened where I used to work.

The guy writing scripts for a hardware test platform hosted them on a paid GitHub account.

System would pull the latest files off GitHub until the account ran out and the whole thing broke, months after he was gone.

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