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Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by pjmlp »

fb03 wrote: post #127

I'm still waiting for the apple laptop killer (a 12h+ laptop with plain Ubuntu) but it's still brittle as fuck. I'm so frustrated by the current state of the mobile computing space. I have to have an Apple locked down device, which I hate, just because I want proper battery life. A aarch64 Ubuntu vm inside MacOS runs faster and lasts more time than a booted up Ubuntu on arm in these devices. This is how far behind th…

Last time I was at FOSDEM was about a decade ago, it was kind of ironic to see so much Apple gear around, given the conference tone.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by st3fan »

E39M5S62 wrote: post #41
teo_zero wrote: post #5

> the current Linux Kernel 6.15 already supports many commercial laptops: Lenovo Yoga 7x, Lenovo ThinkPad T14s Gen 6, Dell XPS 13, Asus Vivobook S15, HP Omnibook x14, Microsoft Surface 13/15 Has anybody had any first-hand experience with Linux on such laptops?

I run Linux on a Thinkpad T13s, with the previous generation of Snapdragon CPUs. It runs great - quick, excellent battery life and very stable. Installation is a bit obnoxious, but nothing a modestly seasoned Linux veteran can't handle.

When you say "excellent battery life" .. can you be more specific?

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by wslh »

fb03 wrote: post #127

I'm still waiting for the apple laptop killer (a 12h+ laptop with plain Ubuntu) but it's still brittle as fuck. I'm so frustrated by the current state of the mobile computing space. I have to have an Apple locked down device, which I hate, just because I want proper battery life. A aarch64 Ubuntu vm inside MacOS runs faster and lasts more time than a booted up Ubuntu on arm in these devices. This is how far behind th…

I'd suggest that top non-Apple businesspeople try using a MacBook for a few weeks, hopefully it sparks some fresh thinking and decisions. Like it or not, Apple's advantage in battery life (and processor efficiency) is remarkable. If I recall correctly, Samsung made a real dent in the iPhone's lead with the Galaxy S2 around 2011, four years after the iPhone launched in 2007. But with the M1 chips released in 2020, Apple's lead this time around seems poised to last even longer.

Note: not an Apple fanboy.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by betaby »

intothemild wrote: post #10
teo_zero wrote: post #5

> the current Linux Kernel 6.15 already supports many commercial laptops: Lenovo Yoga 7x, Lenovo ThinkPad T14s Gen 6, Dell XPS 13, Asus Vivobook S15, HP Omnibook x14, Microsoft Surface 13/15 Has anybody had any first-hand experience with Linux on such laptops?

As someone with a Yoga 7x .. I'm still waiting. It's not fully supported. The issue is drivers for peripherals and wifi. I think the GPU is now supported. It's been a long wait, mostly due to Qualcomm as I understand.

I was down-voted by saying back then (snapdragon x elite release date) that Qualcomm has no priority in making Linux a first class platform. Qualcomm does what Qualcomm does. I won't purchase a laptop which has no known Linux support.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by adastra22 »

OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #129
OptionX wrote: post #26

Any word on a compibily layer project for x86/64 like Rosetta? Seems like an important thing to have imo. The article mentions an emulator, but it seemed to be for running games. I also heard MS had something similar in their arm dev kit, but haven't looked much into it.

There's lots of responses but they miss the point. Rosetta let you run x86/64 apps without even knowing they were x86/64. Back when I ran Asahi, I searched far and wide, but Linux doesn't support that level of transparent integration. You always had to fuddle with the launch params.

Pedantic point, but Linux (the kernel) absolutely does. You can register an executable handler for amd64 binaries, and have Linux call that whenever one is invoked.

There is absolutely no user land infrastructure for using this in the way that Rosetta does on macOS, though. Feel free to contribute it!

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by adastra22 »

0x000xca0xfe wrote: post #56
goosedragons wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. But what x86/x64 support that is available on Windows/Linux isn't as slow as you might think.

Do you have any data or reviews to link for that? I'd really like to replace my old Thinkpad with a long-running, lightweight Linux laptop that can also do some gaming on the side (think Witcher 3 on good settings) but Snapdragon has not lived up to the hype AFAIK. But big thumbs up to all the Linux devs that are working on improving the situation!

Not having the special hardware you are referring to means that the transpiled binaries have more fences than might be strictly necessary, which maybe gives a 5-10% performance hit depending on the use case?

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by throwaway328 »

jamesnorden wrote: post #59
tom89999 wrote: post #23

I am fed up with the linux world. I run Ubuntu on a randomly selected Thinkpad, everything works, outta the box. Why should i buy a new laptop because it holds another cpu doing the exact workload? I cant code faster, cant talk faster with people and being productive 8hrs strait is just a lie. Since almost 10years i read about pre-installed devices, but i dont see them anywhere. Most companies dont have business linu…

You don't "have to" do anything, you can stay with the setup you're using right now just fine, I don't get the point of this post, you're fighting ghosts.

Or you could say they are "tilting at windmills".

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by trelane »

dangus wrote: post #103
kfl wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is StarLab https://starlabs.systems although they don’t make ARM laptops if that’s what you are asking for.

Don’t bother with these. In my eyes the gold standard for Linux laptops is Framework or Lenovo.

To me, it's System76.

Clearly Framework is not supporting Linux if there are issues with suspend.

Re: Linux on Snapdragon X Elite: Linaro and Tuxedo Pave the Way for ARM64 Laptops

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Post by trelane »

pjmlp wrote: post #135
pimeys wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been running Linux on my laptop and on my workstation since the 90's. Still using it as my main driver. Fedora Kinoite is my distro of choice, and Lenovo AMD Thinkpad T14s the laptop. Everything works flawless, and it's still pretty fast even though it's two years old already. And I do not miss at all the Microsoft bullsh*t on tracking and advertising. Or the general sluggishness of Windows.

I know, there are dozens on Linux forums, every time I was searching for workarounds. Also it isn't as if I haven't subscribed to Linux Journal during its whole lifetime, or LWN, or even used to write M$ on email signatures and Usenet messages, for that matter. Signed someone that knows Linux since kernel 1.0.9, yet has better things to do than making it work.

This os why I only buy laptops that ship with Linux, with support you can call to get broken things fixed.

Slapping Linux on a Windows box is a mug's game

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