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Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by immibis »

snerbles wrote: post #41
valenterry wrote: post #25

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Oh god no. We need to absolutely stop making OSs more restrictive than they already are. There are better solutions.

The California legislature is already working on forcing operating systems to attest the age of the user at the account level. See the recent gut-and-amend of AB1043 [0], which was a privacy bill [1] just a few months ago: > This bill would require, among other things related to age verification on the internet, a covered manufacturer to provide an accessible interface at account setup that requires an account holder…

So cat ~/.user_age ?

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by immibis »

codedokode wrote: post #95
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #11

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Denmark does it by sending you to a government-owned website, which then uses two factor authentication and responds back verifying one’s identity. I don’t understand why other countries can’t do the same.

This is a first step to shutting down anonymous accounts - here in Russia for example the account must be linked at least to a phone number or to a government ID and I see no reason why other governments don't want to do the same.

In Germany it's not the case, but in Germany they have to store your IP address, and your IP address records are linked to your passport. It is illegal to get an Internet connection without a responsible party. The person who provides their passport is liable for all misuse no matter who did it. Public wifi was effectively illegal in Germany until recently due to this rule, until a special exception was made for public wifi but the rule is otherwise still in place.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by immibis »

Barrin92 wrote: post #83
Yeul wrote: post #22

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The Netherlands has this system but it is ripe for abuse. We still have a few Christ clowns and there's a big fascist party at the moment. How about we don't make lists of people visiting porn sites? How about we accept that children are part of society and not try to put them in little cages like songbirds?

>How about we accept that children are part of society and not try to put them in little cages like songbirds? It's the correct idea but the way it should be done is by coming to a democratic consensus that helicopter parenting is bad, not by attempting to hobble the infrastructure of government. If only for the practical reason that it'll simply be outsourced and privatized. In US states where the police can't scan…

One reason that's better is that private companies aren't backed by the force of law the same way police are. I don't think it's a felony to prevent some random company's spy camera from seeing your license plate but it is illegal to prevent the police from seeing it. (Of course it's illegal to generally obscure it so there's some implementation details to be worked out there)

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by ReflectedImage »

beeflet wrote: post #135
isoprophlex wrote: post #120

"Open your mouth to verify your age" Not that different from "Drink a verification can to continue". Hilariously dystopian.

The best part is that this is going to work for about 5 days until someone develops a computer model of a face that can simulate the inside of the mouth. Then we have two problems!

That already exists: https://huggingface.co/spaces/fffiloni/expression-editor

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by ReflectedImage »

marcosdumay wrote: post #152
beeflet wrote: post #135

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The best part is that this is going to work for about 5 days until someone develops a computer model of a face that can simulate the inside of the mouth. Then we have two problems!

Oh, very soon only computers will be able to generate "realistic" enough images. Just like solving captchas.

"Very soon" is last year in this case

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by astrange »

Retr0id wrote: post #154
astrange wrote: post #144

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DRM mostly explicitly does /not/ function that way. If you jailbreak an iPhone you can still use store apps and watch movies. You don't think that's just because Apple forgot about it, right? Or because the movie studios are merciful? They definitely aren't. It's because they think it'd be illegal to lock you out over it.

You are mistaken. DRM can work in a variety of ways but that is absolutely one of them. Apple doesn't attestation as part of their DRM (afaik) because it wouldn't be very useful. An iOS jailbreak requires the kind of exploits that would break attestation anyway, so it adds little value. Movie studios could require strong hardware attestation for playback, but in doing so they would limit the set of compatible devices…

One thing I've noticed is that when I post something here I know for a fact but that isn't common wisdom, nobody believes me.

> You are mistaken. DRM can work in a variety of ways but that is absolutely one of them.

Of course it can work that way. It's software, you can write whatever you want.

It doesn't though. If you prefer, they have chosen to believe this is what the law says because it's a good argument if some partner asks them to do it.

Similarly you can get banned from the eShop if you jailbreak your Nintendo Switch, but they don't stop you from using physical games. They could do that if they wanted to. Or rather, they could make you have to work around it.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by astrange »

msla wrote: post #158
astrange wrote: post #146

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That's my point. King Charles isn't the government. Nobody thinks he is either. Keir Starmer is "the government" if you want someone. And he's at 27% popularity.

"The king of a country is not connected to that country's government" is a kind of hair-splitting I really, truly cannot abide.

That's the whole point of a constitutional monarchy!

The king's literal job is to not be the government. He gets to be the emotional symbol of the country and be treated with respect in exchange for promising to never actually do anything.

Most of them pretend the monarch is allowed to do things (as long as the government tells them what to do first), but in Japan and Sweden they don't even have that power. The emperor of Japan is basically just a prisoner we (the US, who wrote their constitution) keep in a palace for fun. They seem to like this and have taken to being the most boring family possible; the current emperor's official hobby is "water" and he stopped playing the violin because he thought it was too interesting.

As for why the UK still has lese majeste, beats me.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by immibis »

jrockway wrote: post #93
immibis wrote: post #90

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Yes? I expect that "take a weekend to France to bypass age verification" and "subscribe to NordVPN to bypass age verification" are both legal while "take a weekend to France to see the Eiffel tower" and "use NordVPN to increase your security" are both legal. Did you never wonder why VPN ads don't really list any actual use cases, yet they're wildly popular? If you know what you need it for, the ad doesn't have to tel…

VPN ads do list actual use cases. The most popular one I've heard is geolocation-based pricing on airline tickets. (I still don't really know what people are actually using VPNs for.)

Torrenting; multi-accounting.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by codedokode »

immibis wrote: post #160
herbst wrote: post #10

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I can tell how this would be implemented. Microsoft rolls their own awkward standard nobody asked for. Other major companies try to use a somewhat common standard. The Industrie enforces new rules and suddenly it costs $150000 and has awkward requirements to get your OS certified adult. For the years to come only the most recent windows versions and customer devices like phones will work. No Linux will pay to get a s…

I think they'll just send X-Is-Over18: Yes. Nobody actually cares about this issue enough to invest money in it - just enough to get certain stupid politicians off their backs. There will be third party browsers that always send the header, and they'll be banned from the app store upon discovery, and if they get famous enough their creators will be sent to jail, just like Tornado Cash.

This should work the other way: a website must send a header that the content in the response is safe for those under 18. If there is no header, the browser doesn't display the page. It is easy to implement and there is no need to change existing websites for this.
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