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What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by ta1243 »

jeroenhd wrote: post #102
ta1243 wrote: post #33

It's not hard 1) Get any porn site that is going to obey this to instead list themselves in some open way (TXT record in DNS, blockchain, some other form of list) 2) Get any provider in the UK to block access to those lists if the account owner wants it. That's ISPs and phone providers. I'd say it should be opt in, but opt out would be a reasonable compromise. That way I can be happy that my 12 year old won't acciden…

> I'd say it should be opt in, but opt out would be a reasonable compromise. Currently, it's already opt-out on major UK ISPs. Anyone with the brains to download a free VPN app (which includes kids) can bypass those blocks, though. That's probably why the government moved from putting the blame on ISPs to putting the blame on web hosts. I think an effective age block is only going to make things worse for teenagers.…

> Anyone with the brains to download a free VPN app (which includes kids) can bypass those blocks, though.

Well parental controls exist to prevent that from being added. But once you have vpns, you simply connect to another country's end point to bypass this anyway.

> If all of the responsible, normal porn sites follow the rules and enforce an age gate, the niche/shady websites will be all vulnerable teenagers can access.

That's my main worry.

Far better regulation of the generation of porn, which can ensure that the actors are doing it for their own free will, not harmed (any more than many other jobs), etc, would be a far better approach. This of course is easier said than done.

> but also "facesitting, female ejaculation and urolagnia"

It does feel like they are taking the piss.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by spacemadness »

laurent_du wrote: post #50
macintux wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question comes down to: is nudity inherently sexual? Not everyone feels it is.

Let's be real, everyone feels nudity is inherently sexual, except on HN and probably on reddit where men love to claim that it's not. I don't know if it's virtue-signalling, sexual frustration, or something else. It does sound weird and creepy to me - grown up men who claim that naked women are not arousing, the same men who rally en masse every time pornography censorship is discussed, to complain about freedom of e…

All of this is in your head and projection, especially the part about others being creepy. You think sex and nudity is creepy and people are arguing for easier access to being extra creepy. That’s on you, but your judgments on others is not a healthy truth.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by mnw21cam »

kube-system wrote: post #127
mnw21cam wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. Different people have very different thresholds for what is "sexual", so it's incorrect to make a blanket statement that it is not sexual. It's sexual for a decent proportion of people - just the fact that this article was tagged NSFW shows that.

> It's sexual for a decent proportion of people - just the fact that this article was tagged NSFW shows that. Most workplaces would find there to be many categories of inappropriate things other than sexual content: violence, profanity, non-sexual imagery of people in unprofessional contexts, etc.

I don't think anyone is seriously considering that this article was flagged as NSFW for the reasons you quote.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by AlecSchueler »

Lockyy wrote: post #76
AlecSchueler wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a new parent who recently stumbled into the world of Instagram breastfeeding pornography. I just wanted to say that the content I saw seemed to be almost universally published by men rather than women pushing their own OnlyFans content. I know you probably didn't intend it that way but I often see criticism of OnlyFans specifically made when I wouldn't have seen it around traditionally male operated pornography p…

There's more than a subtle misogyny to the anti-OF messaging people throw around, not to label the grandparent comment as falling into this issue. I have seen comments along the lines of "Onlyfans spotted, opinion dismissed," numerous times online under posts/videos completely unrelated to a content creators OF business. The idea that a person is a sex worker and therefore a slut (in a derogatory rather than reclaime…

That's exactly what I meant, I'm not sure how my meaning became reversed.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by AlecSchueler »

9x39 wrote: post #126
Lockyy wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's more than a subtle misogyny to the anti-OF messaging people throw around, not to label the grandparent comment as falling into this issue. I have seen comments along the lines of "Onlyfans spotted, opinion dismissed," numerous times online under posts/videos completely unrelated to a content creators OF business. The idea that a person is a sex worker and therefore a slut (in a derogatory rather than reclaime…

Would you celebrate the choice of entering sex work like, say, that of someone entering medicine or law? “You’d make such a good porn star!”, we could say encouragingly to a new grad considering between OF and Stanford. No, we wouldn’t, because despite a weird and deliberate normalizing effort in some corners of the Internet, it’s an intrinsically degrading field run by pimps physical or digital now, and an existenti…

Would you celebrate the choice of someone entering the garbage disposal field? Sex work seems to be singled out in these arguments somehow. I would again tie that back to misogyny, in the sense that a man working a demeaning job is seen to only demean himself, but a woman is seen to demean her father and family, let down all of society, and raises these questions of "how would you feel if it was your daughter?"

But that's not actually what I was arguing. My point was that women who produce their own content to sell on OnlyFans are generally treated with a contempt that isn't applied to men who hire women to produce the same content for them.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by danbruc »

zakki wrote: post #160
danbruc wrote: post #90

Why is this discussion always about nudity and sexuality? Would it not be much better if children see people having fun fucking each other than seeing people murder each other in countless ways? Why is it more acceptable to show Wile E. Coyote trying to murder Road Runner by dropping anvils onto him than showing Bugs Bunny and Lola Bunny fuck each other? Ignoring for the moment that children probably find the former…

I believe if we took that path (children see people having fun fucking each other), we will see more 9yo pregnant girls going to school. Are you ready as a parent?

Is there any evidence for that? Why would it not be the opposite, why would a less tabooed treatment of sexuality not lead to better informed children with a lower risk of accidentally getting pregnant?

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by dcow »

danbruc wrote: post #147
dcow wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well that’s not considered adult in any jurisdiction I know of. Maybe PG-13 at most.

I mean that is the point. What happens to the rating if the women does not shoot at her husband but opens her bathrobe and starts undressing him?

Nothing. In the US that’d be PG-13 too.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by danbruc »

dcow wrote: post #167
danbruc wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean that is the point. What happens to the rating if the women does not shoot at her husband but opens her bathrobe and starts undressing him?

Nothing. In the US that’d be PG-13 too.

Really? From a quick search I would have assumed it becomes R rated pretty quickly because of sexually oriented nudity.

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by ta1243 »

spacemadness wrote: post #156
ta1243 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're really not interested yet now and get annoyed when other kids in the class post it It's about being able to control and monitoring in the real world, where unlike the 90s the "family computer" isn't the thing in the corner of the living room. There's 6 more years before they're an adult, 4 more years before they can legally have sex, and typically at least 4 years before they start heavy petting, plenty of ti…

You might want to rethink your perceived timeline for how sexuality works in practice for teenagers if you’re waiting to talk to them on schedule. Source: was a teenager.

You clearly have no idea about parenting if you think all you have to do is have "a talk"

Healthy is a continual conversation from aged 8 through 18

Re: What even is 'adult' content? [NSFW]

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Post by AlecSchueler »

Palmik wrote: post #145
Lockyy wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's more than a subtle misogyny to the anti-OF messaging people throw around, not to label the grandparent comment as falling into this issue. I have seen comments along the lines of "Onlyfans spotted, opinion dismissed," numerous times online under posts/videos completely unrelated to a content creators OF business. The idea that a person is a sex worker and therefore a slut (in a derogatory rather than reclaime…

Really? I always saw that as a similar reaction to what you may see here on HN when people dismiss an article because it's written by a party trying to (subtly) push their (possibly semi-related) product. In other words, it's a defense (perhaps unjustified in many cases) against being manipulated by the poster.

The thing is that they singled out the platform known for putting the control in the hands of women rather than making the broader point about guerrilla marketing.
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