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Or, hear me out, it's just a group of nerdy friends that wanted to hack something together.
This is exactly what it is. There's no weird file-sharing stuff going on.
It's a LAN party. Of course there is.
The Promised LAN
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#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure they are using l2 transit. They are using BGP and routing nodes (backbones), recreating a mini IP (layer 3) network I think. I've used raw wireguard in a p2p fashion to interconnect LANs. I run wireguard on each segment directly inside the network routers. Just make sure all LANs are using a different subnet. A /24 is standard. Then configure all the peers and you get a fully peer to peer network. No relays.…
I have my own Wireguard mesh network between my home network and a couple of VPSes. I configured it all manually, too. I'm basically running a virtual public network and have it routing a /24 (BGP announced at the VPSes) back to my home.
How did you get a public /24?!
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#163Heh, of all arguably-valid definitions of "LAN Party" I think this one is as far away from mine as you can get. Traditional LAN party: Everyone brings their computers to one place to connect via a LAN, where they play games, swap files, demo stuff to each other, etc. My LAN party: All my friends come over to my house and use the computers that I have already set up for them. Nobody brings their own. The point is to i…
Do y'all get mosquitos on the roof? My back patio is screened in and some are still sneaking through. Would love to know the wired-ethernet-certainty type of approach to dealing with this.
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#164There are true P2P lans using microwave radios for ham operators https://hamwan.org/ I knew guys who set up something like that in Culver City / West LA. It was slow, but it was self-reliant . Basic email, image transfer etc.
Note that encryption is illegal in ham radio - and they don't care that you're tunneling some other protocol for which encryption is standard - it's still illegal.
It's possible to use ham skills to make links that are not ham-class though, of course. For example encryption is (typically) legal on ISM band general use licenses (such as used by wifi).
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#165How do TPL and mentioned here dn42 compare to Yggdrasil?
TPL: virtual permanent LAN party, closed group.
DN42: build a second internet to learn how it works. Public, no privacy features.
Yggdrasil: build a next generation Internet with some privacy features, and self-organization without central assignment
Tor/I2P: build a completely private internet, but sacrificing speed and the ability to operate on the base layer. (Yggdrasil and DN42 and TPL can run on individual one-to-one links, but Tor and I2P assume existing any-to-any connectivity on the layer beneath, which means you already need an internet)
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
You should read the article and the linked manifesto, because they are very clear that it’s none of that.
I already did read the article and I did not get that impression. If it's really that small and private, why mamke a website about it for friends and prospective members? Why architecture the network in a way that favors scaling, including mulitple backbone nodes running diverse software with the option to add more? Clearly these indicate thats it's not that small or exclusive. I would bet that if you were to bump in…
It is as small as it says. BGP/IPSec might be silly at its size, but it was also the path of least resistance given the background of the people in the Bureau of Lan Management. I guess it was also for lolz to see if these things could be made stable and reliable without the big-organization clownery that we constantly run into.
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
They probably use L2TP with IPsec to get Layer 2 transit. Doing that over Wireguard would require Gretep or something similar
Not sure they are using l2 transit. They are using BGP and routing nodes (backbones), recreating a mini IP (layer 3) network I think. I've used raw wireguard in a p2p fashion to interconnect LANs. I run wireguard on each segment directly inside the network routers. Just make sure all LANs are using a different subnet. A /24 is standard. Then configure all the peers and you get a fully peer to peer network. No relays.…
That is correct. IPSec sucks but we have already paid the price of being forced to figure it out in big organizations, so, not much motivation to figure out another thing.
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#168I've been wanting to do this for ages. Originally I wanted to do this at the home router level, but that quickly got shut down when I got a test net up and running and my friends could control the Chromecasts in my house. For us a "tailscale" equivalent with SoftEther is what we used to manage the DNS/Tunneling for our fileshare/services. So cool to see more people playing in this space. Please post more! <3
Some people have just opened up their entire home networks, other people have VLANs set up and only share that VLAN with TPL. However, as written in the article, everyone knows at least a few other people on TPL and that interpersonal real life trust is what keeps people from screwing around on everyone else's networks. Everyone is also an adult.
I'm one of the people whose home LAN is completely exposed to TPL. There's an amount of "screwing around" where I wouldn't care. If you want to print an xkcd cartoon to my desk, fine, lol, a minor surprise in my day. If you print 1000 pages of dicks while I'm not home so that my paper and toner run out, that would be uncool. After years of caring about this problem, I came to believe that this kind of normative social contract cannot scale to include "everyone in the entire world," and that this kind of unwritten normative code is the only thing that makes any social space tolerable.
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#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
The idea is to be a space where existing social groups play, rather than a wider community - it's inherently based on a level of pre-existing trust. Writing about it is supposed to be an incentive for people to build their own little spaces where they can share weird stuff that should never be near the public internet - it's cool to have a network of thermal printers that people can submit jokes to, but it only reall…
The SIP "redphones" is an idea I really like. My wife managed to get a SIP IP phone from one of her buy-nothing groups that I've been meaning to setup an Asterisk server for just to mess with. Maybe stick it upstairs where my kid likes to play & let him get the experience of using a "real" phone.
It is pretty funny to be able to dial an extension from your desk phone to get the IVR of paultag's Christmas tree, but man does managing asterisk suck.
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When I was a kid we threw out our old B&W tv. I wanted to smash the CRT but had heard that they could explode so from a distance I fired several .22 bullets at the screen. They had no effect. IIRC the screen wasn't damaged at all? I can hardly believe what I'm writing but it was true
CRTs have to maintain a near-vacuum inside IIRC. So it's probably a matter of safety to make them strong; if they're too delicate and get mishandled, they implode and some hapless consumer gets a face full of glass.
Wouldn't imploding rather than exploding prevent the face full of glass? But I suppose it has to be pretty strong to maintain that vacuum even if they assumed no one ever touched, moved, or got near it.