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FCC to eliminate gigabit speed goal and scrap analysis of broadband prices

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Re: FCC to eliminate gigabit speed goal and scrap analysis of broadband prices

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What a win for the Telcos. What a loss for all of America. If only municipal broadband/fiber was given the chance to grow there’d be real competition.

Telcos were given billions to expand and improve broadband for decades and never did it. If the FCC has scrapped the goal are they also scrapping the handouts? If so, it’s long overdue.

The FCC did not give those handouts, Congress did. 100 or so $10k "gifts" and I'm sure they'll do it again.

Re: FCC to eliminate gigabit speed goal and scrap analysis of broadband prices

#162

What a win for the Telcos. What a loss for all of America. If only municipal broadband/fiber was given the chance to grow there’d be real competition.

Telcos were given billions to expand and improve broadband for decades and never did it. If the FCC has scrapped the goal are they also scrapping the handouts? If so, it’s long overdue.

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Re: FCC to eliminate gigabit speed goal and scrap analysis of broadband prices

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You can always tell how tech savvy someone is, buy how much bandwidth they don't buy. They don't fall for the marketing/lobbying of the big incumbent ISPs. Anyone I've known worth their salt in networking cares about latency far more than speed. Historically upload speeds on asymmetrical plans were a problem too, but since people have started to work from home, most cable/fiber/wireless internet providers' lowest pla…

Even if you don't _need_ gigabit speeds, in a world in which most fiber has already been laid down and running new fiber is cost-efficient, there is no reason why every home _shouldn't_ be gigabit capable.

Also, Netflix 4K streams at 15Mbps on average. Four phones streaming whatever plus someone or two playing a game is enough to mostly max out a 100 Mbps link. This is a real possibility in the rural settings that qualify for this bill. (Large families in large homes that are heavy TV viewers with nothing to do for miles on end.)

Re: FCC to eliminate gigabit speed goal and scrap analysis of broadband prices

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You can always tell how tech savvy someone is, buy how much bandwidth they don't buy. They don't fall for the marketing/lobbying of the big incumbent ISPs. Anyone I've known worth their salt in networking cares about latency far more than speed. Historically upload speeds on asymmetrical plans were a problem too, but since people have started to work from home, most cable/fiber/wireless internet providers' lowest pla…

> how tech savvy someone is > rare power users I would expect a lot of overlap between these two groups! Extremely common things tech people do that benefit greatly from high-bandwidth connections: - disk backup to the cloud - use Docker - have a household with multiple HD TVs (Netflix recommends 30Mbps per stream) - software installs/updates as a brief interlude instead of an ordeal Essentially, high-bandwidth conne…

Gigabit is practically a requirement if you homelab

Re: FCC to eliminate gigabit speed goal and scrap analysis of broadband prices

#166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did I miss the vote we had on broadband speed goals, or whether we should publish prices? Get outta here with that. Most of Trump's outrageous policies are incredibly unpopular, even among his base. He's just enacting the wildly unpopular Project 2025, which he denied ever hearing of while hiring 70% of its authors into his administration.

> Most of Trump's outrageous policies are incredibly unpopular, even among his base. News to me. I read liberal and conservative sites; I think you are dead wrong from what I’ve seen. The most common comment I see on conservative sites is “I voted for this” “This is what I voted for” or some variation. Everything except the handling of the Epstein information.

Anecdote is not the plural of data.

Every poll shows all these things are wildly unpopular among the general public, and very unpopular among Republicans.

It's nearly impossible to define "Trump's base" with any rigor, so no statistics are ever going to directly address that.

The sites you read are either dominated by a few loud minority voices, or are just echo chamber bubbles disconnected from the broader reality of how people feel.

...Well, actually, there's another possible explanation: the people on those sites may feel they need to continue to signal their allegiance to Trump, or lose support/connection from the other people there.

Regardless, your personal experience does not outweigh numerous polls conducted by institutions across the political spectrum.

Re: FCC to eliminate gigabit speed goal and scrap analysis of broadband prices

#167

Seems they really want to revert everything that made the US a world leader. - Reduce science - Reduce collected data - Reduce immigration - Reduce infrastructure - Reduce adoption of EVs

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More like it has exposed how completely powerless the electorate in America actually is. The kind of shit the current administration is pulling against all public interest is something politicians of other countries can't even conceive of, because it is systemically impossible in their respective political setups.

Re: FCC to eliminate gigabit speed goal and scrap analysis of broadband prices

#168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did I miss the vote we had on broadband speed goals, or whether we should publish prices? Get outta here with that. Most of Trump's outrageous policies are incredibly unpopular, even among his base. He's just enacting the wildly unpopular Project 2025, which he denied ever hearing of while hiring 70% of its authors into his administration.

> Most of Trump's outrageous policies are incredibly unpopular, even among his base. News to me. I read liberal and conservative sites; I think you are dead wrong from what I’ve seen. The most common comment I see on conservative sites is “I voted for this” “This is what I voted for” or some variation. Everything except the handling of the Epstein information.

How confident are you in the authenticity of posts and comments on these "liberal and conservative sites"?

Re: FCC to eliminate gigabit speed goal and scrap analysis of broadband prices

#169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most of Trump's outrageous policies are incredibly unpopular, even among his base. News to me. I read liberal and conservative sites; I think you are dead wrong from what I’ve seen. The most common comment I see on conservative sites is “I voted for this” “This is what I voted for” or some variation. Everything except the handling of the Epstein information.

Anecdote is not the plural of data. Every poll shows all these things are wildly unpopular among the general public, and very unpopular among Republicans. It's nearly impossible to define "Trump's base" with any rigor, so no statistics are ever going to directly address that. The sites you read are either dominated by a few loud minority voices, or are just echo chamber bubbles disconnected from the broader reality o…

> very unpopular among Republicans.

Wanna bet they will vote again for the same kind of politics? There is no shift in republican or conservative politics or decision making visible. The policies are "unpopular" among those personally affected, but they still blame Biden for that.

I dont know why there is this need to knee jerk excuse replican politicians and voters, trying to cast them sane or seeking rational goal or having moral anger over stuff that literally does not bother then in the slightest.

They wanted this and they are happy it is happening. They will continue so until they themselves are hurt a lot ... and then they will blame democrats.

Re: FCC to eliminate gigabit speed goal and scrap analysis of broadband prices

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I think this isn't as bad as people make of out to be. The 100/20 goal is perfectly fine for the vast majority of users. The only thing really supporting the old goal of gigabit connections was fiber. I would rather see the expansion of traditional cable or even satellite to rural areas. Fiber plans tend to be expensive and mostly available in the areas that already have usable high speed options. If we really want t…

> I would rather see the expansion of traditional cable or even satellite to rural areas. Fiber plans tend to be expensive and mostly available in the areas that already have usable high speed options.

This scarcity is artificial. Fiber cabling is not expensive; even the poorest of countries have fiber networks well established in suburban areas.

In India you can have high-speed, even gigabit internet at the price of two pizzas a month.

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