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The current hype around autonomous agents, and what actually works in production

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Re: The current hype around autonomous agents, and what actually works in production

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I also build agents/ai automation for a living. Coding agents or anything open-ended is just a stupid idea. It's best to have human validated checkpoints, small search spaces and very specific questions/prompts (does this email contain an invoice? YES/NO). Just because we'd love to have fully intelligent, automatic agents, doesn't mean the tech is here. I don't work on anything that generates content (text, images, c…

Yes I agree: highly-focused-scope + low-stakes + high-chorelike-task is the sweet spot for agents currently.

I wrote a little about one such task, getting agents to supplement my markdown dev-log here: https://github.com/sutt/agro/blob/master/docs/case-studies/a...

Re: The current hype around autonomous agents, and what actually works in production

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> Clearly we have some sort of goal-based self-correction mechanism. Humans can try things, learn, and iterate. LLMs still can't really do the second thing, you can feed back an error message into the prompt but the learning isn't being added to its weights so its knowledge doesn't compound with experience like it does for us. I think there are still a few theoretical breakthroughs needed for LLMs to achieve AGI and…

Additionally, LLMs still don’t truly understand anything, which is why they flounder so badly with e.g. writing code for a programming language or framework that it hasn’t seen a large enough set of training data for. Humans on the other hand do understand and generalize shared knowledge well, which is why we’re much better at handling that type of scenario. More specific to agents, humans can also figure out how to…

I’ve found claude to be very helpful when both writing and debugging code written in a language i’m currently building. I just make sure to load the spec into its context first and that seems to be enough for it to get a general understanding.

Re: The current hype around autonomous agents, and what actually works in production

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My AI tool use has been a net positive experience at work. It can take over small tasks when I need a break, clean up or start momentum, and generally provide a good helping hand. But even if it could do my job, the costs pile up really quickly. Claude Code can burn $25/ 1-2 hrs, easily on a large codebase, and that's creeping along at a net positive rate assuming I can keep it on task and provide corrections. If you…

One of the ideas i'm playing with is producing several rough drafts of a commit ai-generated at the outset, and then filtering these both manually and with some automations for manual refinements.

_Knowing how way leads to way_, the larger the task, the more chance there is for an early deviation to doom the viability of the solution in total. Thus for even the SOTA right now, agents that can work in parallel to generate several different solutions can reduce your time of manually refactoring the generation. I wrote a little about that process here: https://github.com/sutt/agro/blob/master/docs/case-studies/a...

Re: The current hype around autonomous agents, and what actually works in production

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It's not just about up time. If the bridge collapses people die. Some of us aren't selling ads.

If "the bridge collapses and people die" because the team has a 1min26 "downtime" on a specific day, which is what you are arguing, then you have much bigger problems to solve than the performance of AI agents.

Uptime and reliability are not the same thing. Designing a bridge doesn't require that the engineer be working 99.9% of minutes in a day, but it does require that they be right in 99.9% of the decisions they make.

Re: The current hype around autonomous agents, and what actually works in production

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Additionally, LLMs still don’t truly understand anything, which is why they flounder so badly with e.g. writing code for a programming language or framework that it hasn’t seen a large enough set of training data for. Humans on the other hand do understand and generalize shared knowledge well, which is why we’re much better at handling that type of scenario. More specific to agents, humans can also figure out how to…

I’ve found claude to be very helpful when both writing and debugging code written in a language i’m currently building. I just make sure to load the spec into its context first and that seems to be enough for it to get a general understanding.

Everyone criticizing AI for not "understanding" anything... yet, as you found, and many others have also shown before, explain something to them and they bloody well look like they do understand it. I am still in awe at what LLMs can do, TBH. Over the last few months, the main problem with them: of confidently making shit up, seems to be getting much less of a problem... it's still not solved, but if things keep improving I wouldn't be surprised they will have controls that ensure they stop doing that, and when that happens people will be able to trust what they say/write much more... and perhaps that will be a turning point when complaints like in this post will be hard to take seriously.

Re: The current hype around autonomous agents, and what actually works in production

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I have no idea what agents are for, could be my own ignorance. That said, I have been using LLMs for a while now with great benefit. I did not notice anything missing, and I am not sure what agents bring to the table. Do you know?

You are a manual agent to LLMs when you use things like ChatGPT. You go through a workflow loop when you try to investigate and consult with an LLM. Agents are just trying to automate your workflow against an LLM. It's basically just scripting. Scripting these LLMs is where we all want to go, but the context window length is a limiting factor, as well as inferencing on any notable sized window. I'll manage my whiney…

Exactly, thank you.

What I am doing is definitely manual, it is the old-fashioned prompt-copy-paste-test-repeat cycle, but it has been educational.

Re: The current hype around autonomous agents, and what actually works in production

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Very nice article. The point about mathematical reliability is interesting. I generally agree with it, but humans aren't 100% reliable, or even 99% reliable, so how do we manage to create things like the Linux kernel or the Mars landers without AI? Clearly we have some sort of goal-based self-correction mechanism. I wonder if there's research into AI on that thread?

I believe there was an article/paper in the last few months about that exact issue

Someone was saying that with an increasing number of attempts, or increasing context length, LLMs are less and less likely to solve a problem

(I searched for it but can't find it)

That matches my experience -- the corrections in long context can just as easily be anti-corrections, e.g. turning something that works into something that doesn't work

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Actually it might have been this one, but there are probably multiple sources saying the same thing, because it's true:

Context Rot: How Increasing Input Tokens Impacts LLM Performance - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44564248

In this report, we evaluate 18 LLMs, including the state-of-the-art GPT-4.1, Claude 4, Gemini 2.5, and Qwen3 models. Our results reveal that models do not use their context uniformly; instead, their performance grows increasingly unreliable as input length grows.

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As far this question: how do we manage to create things like the Linux kernel or the Mars landers without AI

It's because human intelligence is a totally different thing than LLMs (contrary to what interested people will tell you)

Carmack said there are at least 5 or 6 big breakthroughs left before "AGI", and I think even that is a misleading framing. It's certainly possible that "AGI" will not be reached - there could be hardware bottlenecks, software/algorithmic questions, or other obstacles we haven't thought of

That is, I would not expect AI to create anything like the Linux kernel. The burden of proof is on the people who claim that, not the other way around !!!

Re: The current hype around autonomous agents, and what actually works in production

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An example: I updated a svelte component at work, and while i could test it in the browser and see it worked fine, the existing unit test suddenly started failing. I spent about an hour trying to figure out why the results logged in the test didn't match the results in the browser. I got frustrated, gave in and asked Claude Code, an AI agent. The tool call loop is something like: it reads my code, then looks up the d…

any examples outside of coding agents ? Even in this example coding agent is short lived . I am curious about continuously running agents that are never done.

A friend of mine set up a cron job coupled with the Claude API to process his email inbox every 30 minutes and unsubscribe/archive/delete as necessary. It could also be expanded to draft replies (I forget if his does this) and even send them, if you’re feeling lucky. I’m pretty sure the AI (I’m guessing Claude Code in this case) wrote most or all of the code for the script that does the interaction with the email API.

An example of my own, not agentic or running in a loop, but might be an interesting example of a use case for this stuff: I had a CSV file of old coupon codes I needed to process. Everything would start in limbo, uncategorized. Then I wanted to be able to search for some common substrings and delete them, search for other common substrings and keep them. I described what I wanted to do with Claude 3.7 and it built out a ruby script that gave me an interactive menu of commands like search to select/show all/delete selected/keep selected. It was an awesome little throwaway script that would’ve taken me embarrassingly long to write, or I could’ve done it all by hand in Excel or at the command line with grep and stuff, but I think it would’ve taken longer.

Honestly one of the hard things about using AI for me is remembering to try to use it, or coming up with interesting things to try. Building up that new pattern recognition.

Re: The current hype around autonomous agents, and what actually works in production

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I used to believe the error rate fallacy, but:

1. Multi-turn agents can correct themselves with more steps, so the reductive error cascade thinking here is more wrong than right in my experience

2. The 99.9% production requirement is so contextual and misleading, when the real comparison is often something like "outage", "dead air", "active incident", "nobody on it", "prework before/around human work", "proactive task no one had time for before", etc.

Similar to infra as code, CI, and many other automation processes, there's mountains of work that isn't being done and LLMs can do entirely or large swathes of

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