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Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by philosopher1234 »

timr wrote: post #64
chaoskitty wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's hopelessly naive. A "misconfiguration" is the excuse they use after the fact when there's enough outrage that they have to put things back the way they were.

I'm not being hopelessly naive. It's certainly possible that they took it down with the explicit intention of hiding information on the internet, but that would also be pretty stupid, since various articles have found the reports on other government servers . So I assume incompetence before malice. What's already known is that they fired the staff who prepared the report, and are presumably shutting down the agency.…

Yes you are. If you’re arguing in good faith then you should try to answer this question:

How far does it have to go before you assume malice? Do they have to tell you “I am malicious”? And if someone malicious is using the “dont admit it” strategy are you fucked?

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Post by yongjik »

timr wrote: post #96
dottjt wrote: post #94

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I liked the idea behind the movie, but the movie itself wasn't very good. It was a bit like the movie Mickey 17, it didn't quite know what it wanted to be and tried to be a lot of things, but none of it really stuck and it ended up being a bit incoherent. The ending I thought was powerful though.

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I don't think the movie was snobby: it was full of over-the-top gags, and it was clear to me that the movie was never taking itself too seriously.

The main character (played by DiCaprio) is also depicted as a quite flawed and vain human being as well.

Also honestly, who doesn't feel frustration at the whole real-world situation the movie is actually about?

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by hollerith »

Buttons840 wrote: post #160
hollerith wrote: post #152

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The US is exporting over $3 trillion worth of stuff per year: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/exports China exports more, but China also must import more, including more of the things needed for the survival of its people, like food, fertilizer, fuel.

The US exports aircraft, vehicles, and medicine, and the rest of the exports are just raw stuffs, like oil or corn. How's Boeing looking these days? Is the US auto industry where exciting new technologies are coming from? Unless the US is going to be great because we export more coal, then I too expect some decline. US exports: https://www.ondeck.com/resources/every-states-top-import-exp...

The last big round of global innovation was internet services, of which I'm pretty sure (not having looked it up) that US exports represent the majority of world exports.

Apple keeps half the sales price of every iPhone whereas the last I saw Foxconn gets only a few dollars per phone for the final assembly. It used to be that most of the expensive components (display, memory) in the iPhone were supplied by Japan, S Korea and Taiwan, but I admit that that might have changed over the years.

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Post by cosmicgadget »

userbinator wrote: post #163
cosmicgadget wrote: post #144

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I guess some of us would prefer not to see our progeny living the Mad Max timeline.

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Do I need to explain the word 'progeny'?

Your assumptions about my voting are as well-evidenced as your skepticism of science.

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Post by forgotoldacc »

archildress wrote: post #17

I just feel extremely sad about the mass quantity of events like this happening right now because they are all aggregate to huge negative effects but the average person knows nothing of it. It feels so unfixable.

The big problem is people tend to look at history as a singular event, or the final consequence of a series of events.

When such events are clearly ongoing, people roll their eyes and say you're overreacting. Then when it all ends and consequences happen, people say now is the time for healing, nobody could've foreseen this, and it's too bad nothing could've been done.

It's the same as being sober and trapped in a car with a drunk driver and their drunk friends. To them, it's fine. They're comfortable with what they're doing. You're the one being annoying for complaining. But their every action is not only endangering you and themselves, but it's endangering people on the perimeters who don't even know about the crisis that's happening within that 2 ton box. Some can see the swerving from far away, but there's nothing they can do. The only hope is the passenger trying to reason with an angry drunk to pull over, but it'll never happen. They'll just get more pissed off and drive more erratically to mess with you and to get some laughs from their friends. So it's a struggle between closing your eyes and hoping it's over soon, or trying to fight back and hope you can stop them. But neither option is easy and both shift the responsibility to someone other than the ones causing the chaos.

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Post by mrtksn »

krisoft wrote: post #97
mrtksn wrote: post #25

Right, nice savings and opportunities for fossil energy industry. Good job. So what is the plan for handling the US nuclear warhead stockpile as the empire crumbles? I'm worried about billionaires with nukes. Maybe not the person directly but people behind all that envision super wealthy city-states and I totally expect those to have nukes. The nuclear codes won't stop anyone with time and engineers. These are intend…

> IIUC the actual device that does the kaboom remained with its original design and applying voltage will be able to trigger it That is not my understanding. My understanding is that the proper implosion requires very precise timing of signals for each shaped charge element otherwise the implosion ends up being lopsided and the nuke fizzles instead of exploding. These timings depend not just on the shape of the charg…

You may be right, the reason I assumed that the controller that controls the detonation itself was contained in the exclusion zone since earlier safety mechanisms were mechanical. So if they modernized the safety mechanism maybe they didn’t change the exploding part and all they need is power to prepare the device and then a simple signal to trigger it ?

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Post by esalman »

NOAA released their budget estimate for FY 2026. Someone in our org ran it by copilot to summarize the impacts:

* NOAA eliminates most climate, weather, and ocean labs and grants, causing major layoffs and loss of research capacity.

* National climate research infrastructure is lost, with staff reductions.

* Regional climate services, adaptation, and heat health programs end.

* All climate research grants are cut.

* Foundational ocean observation and Great Lakes research are terminated.

* Sea Grant support for coastal resilience and aquaculture ends.

* Aquaculture research and ocean science partnerships are stopped.

* Funding for uncrewed systems R&D is eliminated.

* Research computing for climate/ocean modeling is reduced or lost.

* Many programs shift to operational focus (NOS/NWS), with layoffs in OAR.

* Regional ocean observing systems and applied coastal research are ended, with grant losses and layoffs.

* State coastal management, resilience, and estuarine reserve grants are terminated.

* Support for coral reef grants and marine sanctuaries is reduced; no new sanctuaries.

* Species/habitat research, salmon recovery, and habitat restoration programs are cut, with major layoffs.

* Satellite/data services are reduced, with staff cuts.

* NOAA Office of Education is closed; mission support staff reduced.

* Overall, there is a major workforce reduction and elimination of many programs.

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Post by Zanfa »

triceratops wrote: post #124
bko wrote: post #104

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> Several EU countries have mandatory temperature limits for air conditioning in public buildings. Spain, Italy, and Greece have all announced that A/C in public buildings cannot be set lower than 27C (80F) in summer How does that make it "hard" to get A/C in private homes? And are there a lot of heat-related deaths at 27C? > The EU's F-Gas Regulation creates significant restrictions on refrigerants used in air condi…

Not the GP, but there are some regulations about windows, not sure if local or EU-wide. Windows at floor level above ground level must not be fully openable or must have an outside barrier. But thats a pretty sane restriction, given those windows are basically just glass doors to nowhere.
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