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Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by somenameforme »

keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. And I think they're plummeting for the same reason desktop sales plummeted. We went from a time where a new PC was a bit dated in 3 months and obsolete in 2 years, to modern times where a desktop from a decade ago is good for pretty much everything, even including high end gaming if you started with a high end card.

The exact same thing's happening to phones. I have a 6 year old phone that was cheap when it was new, and it still runs 100% of what I use my phone for, and most people use their phones for, perfectly. Tech hardware as a recurring business model only works when there's perceived significant improvements between generations. Trying to sell a few more pixels, or a fraction of a cm thinner case or whatever just isn't worth it for most people.

So, as typical with corporations in this spot, they start flailing to try to maintain revenue, let alone growth. Microsoft became a 'cloud' company paired with a side gig of spyware marketed as an OS. It'll be interesting to see what Apple transforms into.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by breckenedge »

hshshshshsh wrote: post #56
keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Yeah. One thing I learned working at a Big company is that companies are full of parasites who are there to get their promotion or salary increase and don't give a cat shit about users or mission or values. Honestly it sucked any joy out of my life but I am stuck here because of visa.

Happens at small companies too, especially those owned by private equity.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by danaris »

trinix912 wrote: post #73
tokioyoyo wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were ~60M iPhone users when Jobs was the CEO. There are about ~1.4B right now. Both respectively accomplished very respectable things. It’s not selling for a quick buck if he was able to scale the business to such degrees. That being said, I agree that Apple makes a lot of wrongs.

Part of the appeal of Apple was that not everyone and their mom just had an Apple device. They heavily played on that, similar to how fashion does. That "exclusivity" (sort of) is gone now, and it shows with Apple trying to create likable, noncontroversial designs for the larger crowd. They try to make up for it with prices, but it misses the point.

Maybe that was part of the appeal to you.

To most of us, the appeal of Apple has always been primarily that it does what it does well.

I don't think Apple themselves thinks their appeal depends on exclusivity, but rather on a premium experience.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by gizajob »

somenameforme wrote: post #161
keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. And I think they're plummeting for the same reason desktop sales plummeted. We went from a time where a new PC was a bit dated in 3 months and obsolete in 2 years, to modern times where a desktop from a decade ago is good for pretty much everything, even including high end gaming if you started with a high end card. The exact…

Nokia.

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by danaris »

ksec wrote: post #51

The problem isn't sending an Ad to Wallet. It is the fact that Apple openly attack Ads, condemns Ads, talk about privacy as fundamental human rights, and then have targeted Ads, in a place / software / services where no body expected it to appear. And not everybody has the Ad, so by HN / Reddit / Internet definition that Ad is targeted. The thing I used to like about Apple, even if you disagree with some of its decis…

Ads and privacy are not fundamentally opposed.

The reason that they so often seem so is because of the massive surveillance enabling targeted ads. Ads served based on the context they appear in (eg, ads for financial services on the WSJ, or ads for diapers on a baby monitor app) do not require any surveillance or knowledge of the person they're going to be seen by in order to function.

From what I can tell, this ad was not targeted in the least: it just went out to everyone with an iPhone.

(That doesn't make it good, it just means that it doesn't specifically violate Apple's commitment to privacy.)

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Post by jmathai »

earthtograndma wrote: post #152
ryandrake wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve met so many people who only have that one album on their devices, and it plays every time they plug into their car or connect via Bluetooth. And they are all just annoyed/accepting of it. My wife was one of them. And what made it worse was you couldn’t just pause it: with her car’s particular head unit, anything you touched (like the volume control) would cause the head unit to issue another “play music” command…

If I'm reading all this correctly, it sounds like Apple has a system that will automatically play unintended music at various times from the music library. The only way to prevent this is to completely wipe out the entire library. And the chief complaint is that there is an album in the library.

Because the presence of that album is what creates this bug and the user never purchased or downloaded it themself.

I have this same problem but it plays my wedding playlist from nearly 20 years ago. Some terribly annoying song I no longer like. I assume it’s too much work to delete my library and so I just deal with the annoyance.

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Post by fsflover »

mrweasel wrote: post #13
rafaelmn wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean start monetizing ? I get adds for their Apple Arcade trial on top of my iOS settings main screen. I really hate Apple - but what's stopping me from moving out of the ecosystem is that nobody else builds shit that works and is on same level. The M Pro series processor is only touchable by that one AMD chip you can't get anywhere. Windows is garbage and Linux is a part time job. Android is even worse i…

For the desktop, I could probably just use Linux, but you're right, in terms of eco-system, where would I go? Phones are even worse. You basically stuck on iOS and Android and I honestly see no situation where picking Android wouldn't be worse. You have a better selection of phone, and you could run /e/OS, Calyx, or something else, but that's just a hassle. I'm not a big fan of the direction iOS is developing, it tri…

There are also GNU/Linux phones (Librem 5 and Pinephone).

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Post by blibble »

drysart wrote: post #15
bambax wrote: post #12

> That Apple can be trusted in ways that other “big tech” companies cannot. That's funny. Why would Apple be "different"?

Because Apple makes its money by selling you hardware and services, not by selling advertising. Companies ultimately serve whoever they make their money from; and none of the other big tech players have a comprehensive business model where the end user is the customer instead of the product. And because it has positioned itself as the single most prominent privacy-conscious champion in big tech through repeated actio…

> Because Apple makes its money by selling you hardware and services, not by selling advertising.

have you used the app store in the last few years?

I search for my bank and the first results are a load of scammy crypto app ads

then my actual bank app is at result number 3

this is the sort of behaviour I would have expected from Google

Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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Post by hcarvalhoalves »

keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Company takeover by bean counters and clowns. It happens with every company, sooner or later.

Apple remains on the edge with hardware though. I guess the show is still ran by the engineers at this department.

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