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DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by hopelite »

kstrauser wrote: post #109
hopelite wrote: post #58

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China will not go to war in or over Taiwan sort of the USA doing its common narcissistic psychopathic thing of instigating, orchestrating, and agitating for aggression. It seems though that some parts of the world have started understanding how to defuse and counter the narcissistic, psychopathic abusive cabal that controls the USA and is constantly agitating for war, destruction, and world domination due to some sch…

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You should understand what “whataboutism” is before you make accusations of it.

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by hopelite »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #116
hopelite wrote: post #58

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China will not go to war in or over Taiwan sort of the USA doing its common narcissistic psychopathic thing of instigating, orchestrating, and agitating for aggression. It seems though that some parts of the world have started understanding how to defuse and counter the narcissistic, psychopathic abusive cabal that controls the USA and is constantly agitating for war, destruction, and world domination due to some sch…

Yeah, and Putin will definitely never invade Ukraine! Any suggestion to the contrary is just blatant American warmongering.

They are not the same situation. I won’t list all the reasons, but in broad strokes; Taiwan is a Pacific Ocean away from the warmongering USA (in American, btw, and a life long member of the war machine), Taiwan is not culturally inclined as Ukraine, Taiwan is not led by an alien group, China has time on their side, China has proximity on their side, China’s has dependency on its side, China has civilizational momentum on its side, China can see what has been done to the USA by a parasitic group from within. I could make a list that is several pages long, but it all amounts to the fact that at this point China really only has to be patient and offer some carrots, which Taiwan can already clearly see itself.

America is a society and component of a civilization that has never really understood itself or its place in the world and history. We peaked in the industrial warfare of WWII, and then bumbled our way through trying to rely on our past self-involved achievement.

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by ngruhn »

bionhoward wrote: post #89
ngruhn wrote: post #13

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If they continue to release the weights + detailed reports what they did, I seriously don't understand why. I mean it's cool. I just don't understand why. It's such a cut throat environment where every little bit of moat counts. I don't think they're naive. I think I'm naive.

If moving faster is a most, then open source AI could move faster than closed AI by not needing to be paranoid about privacy and welcoming external contributions

But if an open model ever pulls ahead then the closed vendors can immediately piggyback on that.

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by ngruhn »

senko wrote: post #18
ngruhn wrote: post #13

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If they continue to release the weights + detailed reports what they did, I seriously don't understand why. I mean it's cool. I just don't understand why. It's such a cut throat environment where every little bit of moat counts. I don't think they're naive. I think I'm naive.

If you’re not appearing, you’re disappearing. Now they are firmly on the map, which presumably helps with hiring, doing deals, influence. If they stop publishing something , they run the risk of being labelled a one-hit wonder who got lucky. If they have a reason to believe they can do even better in the near future, releasing current tech might make sense.

I think those are valid points but it's hard for me to see that this is worth it. With the might of the CCP in the back and the giant labor pool that is China, surely they can make hiring work either way. If they now start offering a model that's cheaper and better then anyone else's, surely anyone will take notice, even if the weights are not open.

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Post by azemetre »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #155
mjmsmith wrote: post #126

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Whose rampant IP theft are you referring to?

China is the pretty obvious answer in this context.

Odd. I’d think it’d be all the companies in the US ignoring IP and copyright laws.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

rescbr wrote: post #154
CamperBob2 wrote: post #108

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Well, at least protecting Latin American countries from the threat of communism was a nice thing for us to do, wasn't it? Communism would certainly have done more harm than we did. The lesson of present-day America is that democracy is too important to be left to the people.

Ehhh… don’t forget that I wrote “under the guise”. Lots of US companies got a lot of money out of those US-supported dictatorships, while destroying local businesses and torturing and killing people. Those were also the era of closed-off economies, hyperinflation and environmental destruction, so what the local people got out of it? So yeah, thanks for protecting us from the dictatorship of the proletariat and fuckin…

Yeah, it's always someone else's fault, isn't it.

The proles have let us both down. All my life, I was led to believe that a "dictatorship of the proletariat" would involve a bunch of morons wearing red hats, casting one last vote against their own interests to tear down the established order. So at least that turned out to be technically correct.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

throwaway290 wrote: post #158
andrekandre wrote: post #156

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> trade labor, goods and services voluntarily small nitpick, but trading != capitalism capitalism is using capital (money, materials, and employees/work) as inputs to produce finished products with the goal of re-investing those profits into said production or into other markets simply trading or rendering services can be done without the need for constant growth/profits or investment as capital over time (e.g coops,…

That's not the definition of capitalism I see in my dictionary.

It's just a case of the Redditification of HN. "Anything I don't like is capitalism. Either that, or the CIA is to blame. ... Wait, why not both?"

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by coderatlarge »

impossiblefork wrote: post #153
coderatlarge wrote: post #57

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maybe they’re just waiting to see if they can run on chinese sourced silicon? just speculating

I think my real problem with it is that how slow it is is easy to predict beforehand. If it doesn't meet the goals set for it speed-wise, they could go for something smaller. It should only be quality which could be unpredictable before training.

maybe they need to allocate that hardware to other uses and are waiting for alternatives?

Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

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Post by Art9681 »

wizee wrote: post #5

They just recently released the r1-0528 model which was a massive upgrade over the original R1 and is roughly on par with the current best proprietary western models. Let them take their time on R2.

A lemon is on-par with the best western models for the majority of use cases because they do not require "state of the art" intelligence to solve or respond to the user's query. This is what the benchmarks show.

For anything that requires "AI level of intelligence", the difference is vast.

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