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I wrote my PhD Thesis in Typst

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Re: I wrote my PhD Thesis in Typst

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Post by diffeomorphism »

agubelu wrote: post #151
gucci-on-fleek wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And LaTeX has this for free? Yes, Overleaf is both free-as-in-beer [0] and free-as-in-speech [1]. The OSS version is pretty easy to self-host, but it's missing quite a few features from the paid version. I still prefer compiling from the command-line for most of my documents, but I run the self-hosted version for collaboration. [0] https://www.overleaf.com/user/subscription/plans [1] https://github.com/overleaf/ove…

Actually I've never understood the "free-as-in-beer" thing. Where is beer free?

Lots of occasions, mostly celebrations or campaigns. It even has its own Wikipedia article:

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freibier

Re: I wrote my PhD Thesis in Typst

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Post by kzrdude »

gucci-on-fleek wrote: post #105
moelf wrote: post #87

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>For now, that's the entire collaboration component. And LaTeX has this for free? It's separated concerns, I think the analogy is Overleaf and LaTeX but just happened to be made by the same group of folks, it doesn't have to go down the monetization-at-the-cost-of-your-user route.

> And LaTeX has this for free? Yes, Overleaf is both free-as-in-beer [0] and free-as-in-speech [1]. The OSS version is pretty easy to self-host, but it's missing quite a few features from the paid version. I still prefer compiling from the command-line for most of my documents, but I run the self-hosted version for collaboration. [0] https://www.overleaf.com/user/subscription/plans [1] https://github.com/overleaf/ove…

The free plan on overleaf only allows collaboration between 2 people. If you have 3 students in your report assignment then you can't use overleaf for free.

That sounds like a sign that overleaf is struggling, that they had to make that change.

And Typst is more generous there, you can collaborate 3 people with no problem.

Re: I wrote my PhD Thesis in Typst

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Post by Zariff »

gumbojuice wrote: post #88

I'm sticking with LaTeX, not as a fetish, but because journal/conferences still do not accept e.g. typst. Will they ever do? I don't know, depends on their willingness to integrate it into their toolchains I guess?

I'm not familiar with how journal submissions work, but don't you simply submit a pdf at the end? Does it matter what engine you used to render it?

Re: I wrote my PhD Thesis in Typst

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Post by Paapaa »

meehai wrote: post #158
Paapaa wrote: post #152

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Typst is fully open source licensed under Apache-2.0 license. It is not a mix of any kind. Don't confuse the web app with Typst engine. The web app is a similar service to Overleaf and that is closed source. It is not mandatory, you can use Typst fully on your local machine. The team tries to make money and cover development costs with the web app. But the actual typesetting engine is fully open source and free.

https://github.com/overleaf/overleaf hm ?

"That" in my sentence meant that Typst web app is closed source.

Re: I wrote my PhD Thesis in Typst

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Post by a5c11 »

shusaku wrote: post #5
WhyNotHugo wrote: post #4

Typst looks really promising, especially due to the fact that it had common templates (like the IEEE one) which produce content identical to LaTeX. My biggest gripe with latex is the tooling. During my last paper, I ended up using a makefile which would usually work. When it didn’t work, running it twice would fix the issue. In the rarest cases, I had to run `git clean -xdf` and the next run would work. I still have…

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing twice and expecting different results. By coincidence, this is the basic way to compile latex.

Last time I checked, flipping a coin twice gave different results.

Re: I wrote my PhD Thesis in Typst

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Post by malmeloo »

meehai wrote: post #158
Paapaa wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Typst is fully open source licensed under Apache-2.0 license. It is not a mix of any kind. Don't confuse the web app with Typst engine. The web app is a similar service to Overleaf and that is closed source. It is not mandatory, you can use Typst fully on your local machine. The team tries to make money and cover development costs with the web app. But the actual typesetting engine is fully open source and free.

https://github.com/overleaf/overleaf hm ?

The Typst web app, which is similar to Overleaf, is closed source. Overleaf itself is open source, yes.

Re: I wrote my PhD Thesis in Typst

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Post by xigoi »

kyawzazaw wrote: post #97
dleslie wrote: post #85

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For now, that's the entire collaboration component. It would make sense to build a portion of document rendering in that context which won't be found in the open source portions. A value-add to convince users to subscribe.

i mean that's what overleaf does with latex too, so i don't see the difference

Overleaf is open source.

Re: I wrote my PhD Thesis in Typst

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Post by kzrdude »

TimorousBestie wrote: post #6

I’m gradually moving my work over to Typst and it’s been a breath of fresh air. Compiles very quickly. Perhaps the hardest part has been relearning the syntax for math notation; Typst has some interesting opinions in this space.

One relatively optimistic prediction would be that a few will accept Typst, but latex export from Typst will gradually get more mature, until we end up with a charade where more people use other frontends like Quarto or Typst that output to latex rather than latex themselves for submission into journals - in certain fields. Somewhere after that time, Typst will break through and be generally accepted itself.

Re: I wrote my PhD Thesis in Typst

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Post by kzrdude »

freehorse wrote: post #71

What deters me from Typst is that latex math syntax is nowadays ubiquitous. You write $x^2=1$ and it renders in many places. Learning a new syntax for math expressions is simply not in my interests.

The threat is literally the opposite, it is very freeing to be able to write typst syntax because it's quicker and easier to write. But then you're cursed by the fact that every other place now uses latex math syntax by convention.

Re: I wrote my PhD Thesis in Typst

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Post by jltsiren »

Zariff wrote: post #163
gumbojuice wrote: post #88

I'm sticking with LaTeX, not as a fetish, but because journal/conferences still do not accept e.g. typst. Will they ever do? I don't know, depends on their willingness to integrate it into their toolchains I guess?

I'm not familiar with how journal submissions work, but don't you simply submit a pdf at the end? Does it matter what engine you used to render it?

You normally submit a LaTeX or Word document, and the publisher does the final typesetting. Even in computer science, where people often spend a lot of time tweaking the typesetting, the pdf generated by the authors is essentially a preview. There are often visible differences between it and the publisher's version.
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