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Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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The RIAA doesn't have to sue to make OP's life miserable. They have enough lawyers on the payroll to drown him in perfectly legal demand letters. Go one step further and assume the demand letters are harassment - what's OP going to do, sue the RIAA?

Nahh, for a bunch of annoying letters take them to small claims court. Cheap for you, expensive for them, and you win if they don’t show up.

This is a cool feel good theory but can you show an example of this working?

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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Definitely a few. Media companies often send out infringement notices to ISPs to be forwarded to the user and I would guess this is how they get those IPs

No tracker necessary, you can just use DHT: https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com/

Interestingly they put the infohash of the show in the URL. So one can use that website to pick which show to download just by using the hash + DHT

Edit: Nope I'm wrong, different type of hash it seems...

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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Do you think the police understand this nuance? Especially since most of the traffic that will go through there is probably copyright infringement? They'll just see tracker and assume it's illegal.

Traffic doesn't "go through there", that's the whole point of P2P. All a tracker does is let people find each other.

Traffic still goes through it. A seeder attaches and says "I am here and have these hashes". The a leecher connects and says "who has these hashes".

So yes, data "goes through it". Do you think law enforcement understands the nuance of metadata vs actual data?

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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Because knowingly helping people commit crimes generally counts the same as committing the crime yourself. I.e. federally in the U.S. under 18 USC 2a https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2 The software you're running being "simple" isn't a defence for doing illegal things with it - like aiding others commit crimes. There are a few internet/copyright safe harbor provisions (in the US) that might maybe (probably…

Wouldn't particular knowledge be required? I'm sure Google devs know in the abstract that Google search is used by criminals to help them in committing crimes, but that clearly is not illegal in and of itself.

It's based on how much money you have. Google can hire expensive lawyers, so it's fine.

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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He did not choose the domain name by chance. He chose it because he observed it was previously in use as a tracker for copyright infringing torrents. The police/courts/jury is not obliged to put blinders on just because you would prefer if they did. The mere fact that the domain name was previously used for this is almost certainly probable cause to get search warrants that will almost certainly provide the requisite…

They explicitly used it to download "Linux isos", which are highly likely not copyright infringing (they are usually free to distribute). Eg. Canonical distributes Ubuntu via BitTorrent too: https://ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads Edit: I missed the "uh," in the OP: I stand corrected.

They wrote "download Linux ISO"s" yet they're using an old piracy tracker domain, which Linux ISOs don't use. The court is not stupid.

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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I used to think those old trackers were long dead, but it’s wild to see them still pulling in millions of peers. P2P may have faded from the spotlight, but the infrastructure never really went away.

I guess...the question is...who? Surely people have to pay to keep these peers just running. 3.1 million is how many millions of dollars in infra per month? I guess it's distributed amongst millions or thousands of people, sure, or may be most of them are bots.

It only takes 17000 bittorrent users with 100-200 old torrents each in their clients to get here:

> it peaked at about 1.7 million distinct torrents across 3.1 million peers

Most people don't regularly prune their torrent library.

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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> Is this legal? Why wouldn't it be? You're not actually hosting a tracker in this case, only looking at incoming connections. And even if you do run a tracker, hard to make the case that the tracker itself is illega. Hosting something like opentrackr is like hosting a search engine, how they respond to legal takedown requests is where the crux is at, and whatever infra sits around the tracker, so police and courts c…

Is this legal isn’t a useful question. The better question is how likely are you to get sued? With civil lawsuits it doesn’t matter if it’s legal you can be sued and harassed by lawyers if you get on their radar.

This is definitely the right pragmatic take. A lawyer friend of mine once laid it out for me: "in litigation, if you go to court, even if you win, you lose". The reality is that court sucks, and getting sued sucks for all but the ultra-wealthy (who can absorb the cost). For those of us with less than $100MM, court is a universe to be avoided.

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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No need to sue. Send a cease and desist and your average hacker like OP will take it down in a hurry...

I think the point is that you can't count on that and need to assume that you are going to attract actual lawsuits. DMCA provides easier take down options for copyright owners but AFAIK does not compel them to make use of those options before going to court.

I think companies will try with a strongly worded letter first, as this would save them money over straight going to court. But I get that the risk may not be worth it for many people, I myself would be very scared if I received a letter threatening a lawsuit for a ridiculous amount of money, even knowing that they are exaggerating the scale of damages just to scare me.

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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In other words, you can DDoS any ip for the cost of registering a domain and publishing a specific DNS record.

Is it really going to be all that bad? The BitTorrent clients I’ve used all seemed pretty polite, backing off for like 60s at least for each tracker they can’t connect to. If you buy one of the dead tracker domains and point it at an IP of someone else, but their services aren’t even listening on the port client wants to connect to (and don’t speak BitTorrent even if the port happened to coincide), I can’t imagine th…

So that's one request per 60 seconds - times 3,000,000 or so clients. See the problem? That's 50,000 requests per second.
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