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Re: No Hello

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Post by nirui »

The example on the page don't really do it justice, because both of them are O(4), and the time delay is arbitrary.

The "" example should only consist of 3 operations: Dawn: REQUEST, Tim: RESPOND, Dawn: CLOSE. For example: "Hiya! What time was that thing?", "hey, 3:30", "Ta - seeya then!". Or even just 2, Dawn: REQUEST, Tim: RESPOND (auto close), this could imply that Dawn and Tim are really close, or really not close.

BTW: We are not designing reliable messaging protocols here folks. The chat software should tell if any message was lost.

Re: No Hello

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Post by cxr »

CGMthrowaway wrote: post #143
dosnem wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes you do it because if you just ask the question you get ignored but if you say hello and get a response ppl are less likely to ignore the second question. Thats the bigger reason than any rudeness reason i would think.

This. The selfish point (there are other points too) of "hi" is to confirm you have their attention and to remove plausible deniability of "oops I missed your message."

Weird subthread.

> The selfish point (there are other points too) of "hi" is to confirm you have their attention

No one is unsure of the selfish/self-serving motivation behind the lone "hello". The singleminded self-centeredness at the expense of others is the _entire_ basis of the criticism.

This response is like encountering in a thread about lunch theft in the workplace, "Some people take food that isn't theirs because they didn't bring anything for lunch, and they see food that someone else brought sitting there in the fridge." The power of this response to be able to explain something not already understood is nil—and so is its exculpatory power.

> to remove plausible deniability of "oops I missed your message."

I'll dispute this. The overwhelming purpose is so the sender can confirm they have the receiver's attention so the sender knows whether to bother themselves with typing out the rest of their inquiry. They're happy to trade the negative consequences on others for a minor convenience to themselves.

Re: No Hello

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Post by emreb »

dfboyd wrote: post #86

I'm the original author of this content. I wrote it on the internal wiki at Google in 2007. Someone copied it and posted it at nohello.(something) after I left Google. It's made the front page of HN multiple times. The discussions always split between the people who just want to get on with the conversation and the people who can't bring themselves to do that because they consider it unforgivably rude. The second gro…

I think it is more of a if you are not there right now, and won't be able to respond, I am not going to write it all to wait for an answer later. I think most people want to make sure someone is there to respond before committing to a conversation.

Re: No Hello

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Post by jpl56 »

I have a mouse shortcut that answers "Hi" so that I dont need to reach to my keyboard to answer. But if they keep on with "How are you?", they can go to hell, I'm not answering.

Re: No Hello

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Post by avemg »

emreb wrote: post #163
dfboyd wrote: post #86

I'm the original author of this content. I wrote it on the internal wiki at Google in 2007. Someone copied it and posted it at nohello.(something) after I left Google. It's made the front page of HN multiple times. The discussions always split between the people who just want to get on with the conversation and the people who can't bring themselves to do that because they consider it unforgivably rude. The second gro…

I think it is more of a if you are not there right now, and won't be able to respond, I am not going to write it all to wait for an answer later. I think most people want to make sure someone is there to respond before committing to a conversation.

But I find THAT attitude to be quite rude. You are prioritizing your preferences when it's me that you're reaching out to for help. Nobody's saying you have to write a complete and detailed problem description in your first message, but give me something to know what i'm getting into.

BAD: Hey, you there?

GOOD: Hey, you there? I'm trying to do X but I'm running into some issues and I wanted to get your advice.

Once I've responded and you know you have my attention, then you commit to filling me in on the gory details.

Re: No Hello

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Post by aeve890 »

Mordisquitos wrote: post #156
aeve890 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Regex is enough of a language model to deal with this, no need for LLMs. Dropbox comment vibes. Please provide the regex you use in your daily communication.

> Please provide the regex you use in your daily communication. /^[Hh](ello|i|ey)( ${MY_NAME})?[.!]?$/

Lol ok granted. I thought the parent comment was referring to a extremely complex regex capable of parsing whatever a LLM can.

Re: No Hello

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Post by sneak »

defraudbah wrote: post #30

do we have a version for this to people who call you out of blue? they have a single question and could type it out or email you, instead than ring to you if you don't have the power to tell people to f- off, the only option left is to accept it and either play their game or ignore a type of behavior you don't want to reward

Teach them how to use dictation mode. They do this because they don’t know how to type and it is easier and faster for them to speak than to type.

Re: No Hello

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Post by jvanderbot »

mafuy wrote: post #98
mariusor wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> are UDP. some :P

Misses, sure. But it should be quite rare that the order is wrong. It would only happen if the route changes.

Or, does "Alexa, add peanut butter to shopping list" fall under the UDP frame size? Joke reversed.

Re: No Hello

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Post by antonchekhov »

I don't understand why, if the recipient of the initial detached "hello" is annoyed at the communication tax of having to acknowledge it before the querier gets to the real point of the convo, why in the "preferred" example, he/she responds to their gratitude ("ta") with a "np"? That seems like just as much pointless communication noise, only at the other end of the chat. When I say thanks to anyone in real-life verbal communication, their (usually a grunt) "no problem" adds nothing.

Re: No Hello

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Post by rich_sasha »

When I use IM at work, I basically end up using it like email half the time. Write "hello" at the top, then all what I want to know, all in a single message, so then it gets lengthy, so at the bottom I write something like "great, many thanks", and sign off for good measure.

Even when the convo turns interactive, half the time either me or the other guy has to drop off, often without warning. So after some waiting around, I'll write down, in async mode, all I want.

It always then feels like basically a different GUI/ API onto email. With more emojis and reactions and stickers and scented candles or whatnot.

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