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Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by linotype »

Supernaut wrote: post #22
linotype wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Your comment is extremely disingenuous. Much of the world, including Europe, has become dramatically more unsettled and dangerous as a direct consequence of US foreign policies and military adventures over the last quarter-century. Do you expect to be thanked?

I don’t expect anything from you or anyone else. I’m just glad I don’t have to worry about what other people think anymore. If anything, I wish the US would pull out of NATO altogether and focus on fixing our problems at home, since our contributions clearly aren’t wanted.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by shagmin »

Alive-in-2025 wrote: post #146
breppp wrote: post #45

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That is not the same company, and as I said above, you expect something else from Italy compared to the Saudis

It's the same awful industry. This software is used to hurt journalists, to try to stop dissent. And kill people like the journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

Not just same industry, but the same country of origin too actually.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by myth_drannon »

tehjoker wrote: post #159
myth_drannon wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nazi ideology is popular in Gaza and they learned many lessons from its chief propagandist Goebbels. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden "a new leaflet with photographs of two burned children was released under the title "Dresden—Massacre of Refugees", stating that 200,000 had died." "doctored with an extra zero to increase [the total dead from the raid] to 202,040"." Israel-Palestine war will be no…

More genocidal rhetoric. The nazis are infamous because in part, they were doing settler colonialism in Europe. They were getting free land from lesser beings and promising homesteads to their officers. Israel is doing settler colonialism to people that had nothing to do with WW2 and the holocaust. If you have a problem with the Germans, take it up with Germany. My understanding is that in Gaza, it is a common unders…

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Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by pkkkzip »

dagav wrote: post #134

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I do wonder with all the criticisms and faults EU and West points out in other parts of the world, this one country gets a complete pass that overrides and contradicts every single value that they supposedly stand for at the risk of appearing like they have no value or morals.

The rest of the world is getting tired of this double standard. It's justified when we do it and it's a crime if others do it. It's no wonder the youth and global opinions have turned sour.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by linotype »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #110
wesselbindt wrote: post #78

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Oh get off it. We all know who pushed for the invasions. We all know who operated the black sites.

And the European countries that did get their noses into Iraq (Poland, UK) were mostly doing so to curry favour with the Americans. And the ones who didn't were famously lambasted and attacked (huge anti-French sentiment, "freedom fries", all that garbage.)

People don’t like the French because they’re jerks to tourists, not because of “freedom fries” nonsense.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by pkkkzip »

jokoon wrote: post #130

Who cares at this point? If you're a journalist and you don't have basic OPSEC for cyber stuff, there is no point in doing sensitive work. Nobody is really accountable for those kind of things anyway.

This type of comment I find very peculiar, it attempts to normalize the intimidation and censorship of truths when we know that isn't the consensus nor desired.

Overall, very disappointing to come on HN and find any thread critical of this one country results in mass flagging, censorship and hasbara EVERY SINGLE TIME

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by westpfelia »

hersko wrote: post #82
coliveira wrote: post #10

Just a small part of the biggest spy network ever invented, which is woven into practically all software and tech infrastructure we use in the West and backed by large corporations with ties to that small country.

So if a company in country A sells military arms to country B, country B is now part of country A's military network. Is that how this works now?

Works now? Thats how a customer base works.

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by amdivia »

hersko wrote: post #103
chaosbolt wrote: post #59

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> -The bald eagle that is also the only country in history to have nuked two civilian cities. It was this or invade which would have easily resulted in more casualties. Pretending the US just nuked them when the other option was nothing is childish. > - Its best friend, the country that's commiting a genocide in 2025 and that you cannot criticize. Ongoing wars in 2025 and casualty numbers according to Grok: - Russia-…

Your numbers ignore the distinction between combatants and civilians killed. It also does not include those who are killed as a by product of the war. The number you mentioned is how many Israel directly killed. This ignores:

* People who died out of starvation (especially kids and newborns) due to Israel's blockade

* People who died due to lack of medicine due to Israel's blockade

* People who died to the worsening hygienic environment

The estimate we have from research in Lancet go just shy of 200,000 people dead [1]. Note that this was their estimate almost a year ago. Since then many more deaths took place.

And in short, whether you want to admit it's a genocide or not, no one can deny it's a one of the greatest tragedies of the century, and that Israel must be held accountable. Enough is enough.

[1]: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

Re: US-backed Israeli company's spyware used to target European journalists

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Post by edanm »

tehjoker wrote: post #159
myth_drannon wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nazi ideology is popular in Gaza and they learned many lessons from its chief propagandist Goebbels. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden "a new leaflet with photographs of two burned children was released under the title "Dresden—Massacre of Refugees", stating that 200,000 had died." "doctored with an extra zero to increase [the total dead from the raid] to 202,040"." Israel-Palestine war will be no…

More genocidal rhetoric. The nazis are infamous because in part, they were doing settler colonialism in Europe. They were getting free land from lesser beings and promising homesteads to their officers. Israel is doing settler colonialism to people that had nothing to do with WW2 and the holocaust. If you have a problem with the Germans, take it up with Germany. My understanding is that in Gaza, it is a common unders…

> Israel is doing settler colonialism to people that had nothing to do with WW2 and the holocaust. If you have a problem with the Germans, take it up with Germany.

> [...] it is a common understanding that they are being subjected to a Nazi extermination campaign by people (Christian and Jewish Zionists) claiming the Holocaust made them do it

That is not what Israel is doing. Israel is attacking a semi-state that invaded and slaughtered its people. That is the original and majority motivation for the current actions in Gaza.

Some Israelis, who are not representative of the majority but do have outsized political power, also want to resettle Gaza and take the land. I hope they are soon removed from office and from holding any power.

> (meanwhile, the Zionists stole reparations money from Holocaust survivors and considered the survivors weak).

Many of the original citizens of Israel were the Holocaust survivors, and the majority were the Jews ethnically cleansed from Arab lands.

So I'm not sure where you're getting this "The Zionists stole reparations" idea.

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