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Menstrual tracking app data is gold mine for advertisers that risks women safety

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Still data can be uploaded to the cloud and will be available to cloud providers. So there is more vectors to protect user data.

> no access to network ?

Android and iOS developers need to explicitly request network access in their app's configurations.

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For those wondering why this is a safety issue, in many American states abortion or "fetal harm" is considered murder. You can be imprisoned, theoretically for life. This is of course a rapidly evolving area of law since the fall of Roe v. Wade. Having one's menstrual data available for subpoena is therefore quite a literal safety risk. "At least 38 states authorize homicide charges for causing pregnancy loss" https:…

As a clarification for the "I didn't do anything wrong, I have nothing to hide" crowd, most of the time when someone is pregnant and then suddenly not pregnant, the cause is a miscarriage. And most people would go see a doctor if there is a lot of pain or bleeding. An overzealous prosecutor (usually running for election) is going to make the claim that you went to a doctor and now you aren't pregnant, you must have m…

Behind this is the utterly asinine social idea that miscarriages are something rare.

Re: Menstrual tracking app data is gold mine for advertisers that risks women safety

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For those wondering why this is a safety issue, in many American states abortion or "fetal harm" is considered murder. You can be imprisoned, theoretically for life. This is of course a rapidly evolving area of law since the fall of Roe v. Wade. Having one's menstrual data available for subpoena is therefore quite a literal safety risk. "At least 38 states authorize homicide charges for causing pregnancy loss" https:…

I think it's a big leap from "menstrual tracking" to being prosecuted because ... what? A gap in the tracking data?

That's too distant a connection for me to believe that information really would change anything.

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Probably the best one-liner fix in law I can think of, is to make it a imprisonable felony to give money to someone or an organization for the purpose of speaking a particular message as their own, and accepting money in exchange for speaking a message as your own. Basically ban advertising, or at least make each commercial basically say "General Motors has paid us to tell you that ... ... ..." instead of the sexy se…

>Probably the best one-liner fix in law I can think of, is to make it a imprisonable felony to give money to someone or an organization for the purpose of speaking a particular message as their own, and accepting money in exchange for speaking a message as your own.

You think you can make a law like this work with one line? I do not get the code-as-law people, or whatever it is you are coming from that has left you with this impression. No surprise you are also advocating people become "self-sufficient economic agents" too. It's gotta be simple, right? That's why you gave us the one line, after all.

"You don't actually want this cheeseburger, we are just telling you that you do" sounds like it would be a real buzzworthy campaign today to be perfectly honest. Do you leave your house?

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try searching again. here is one example: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/abortion-laws-punishin... it was overturned, but at least one judge believed that imprisonment was warranted and issued his verdict accordingly. and many politicians believe that too and push for laws to that effect.

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Lizelle Gonzalez was arrested and jailed for this in Texas.

It turned out that she was put in jail mistakenly for a couple of days — and is getting up to $1M compensation for the judicial mistake. How is that “women get imprisoned for abortion”? Something that looks good in a clickbait title, but actually shows proper functioning of legal system instead.

Re: Menstrual tracking app data is gold mine for advertisers that risks women safety

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There's a FOSS alternative called Drip. https://dripapp.org/ It is funded by Mozilla and Open Knowledge Foundation. Available on iOS and Android.

Mensinator is also another FOSS that uses no third party sdks and is reproducibly built for android, fairly actively used, and made by women. https://github.com/EmmaTellblom/Mensinator

Re: Menstrual tracking app data is gold mine for advertisers that risks women safety

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The article doesn't define what exactly they mean by "risks women safety". I don't buy into the idea that all or any advertising is a "safety" issue if that is where they're going. I think there's a very weird type of patronizing that goes on where suddenly we fear for everyone's ability to deal with advertising as if they've got no self control or agency ...

A state like Texas being able to track a woman’s period means they will know when she becomes pregnant or ceases to be pregnant. That’s potential evidence of a felony in Texas. You connect the dots from there.

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try searching again. here is one example: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/abortion-laws-punishin... it was overturned, but at least one judge believed that imprisonment was warranted and issued his verdict accordingly. and many politicians believe that too and push for laws to that effect.

Purvi Patel gave birth to a 5.5—6 months baby, sealed it in a plastic bag, and threw it in a trash container! I guess we could agree to disagree whether at least some jail time was warranted in this case.

i didn't see any of those details in the article, and even one of the linked ones says that it was under dispute whether the baby was born alive or could have survived. if in doubt...

the real problem is our treatment of these issues as a society globally.

judging people for having children out of wedlock. not educating them in ways that would give them the strength to avoid that. judging their parents. parents judging their children, instead of forgiving them and supporting them. society not supporting single parents. and don't use religion as an excuse. any religion that supports judging someone for this is wrong or misunderstood.

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I also would like “give an incorrect location” as an option. Something like that would probably never be supported by Google or Apple officially, because unlike some other privacy features, it’s actively and overtly hostile to advertisers.

regardless of what apple/google allow officially, the cell carrier also has tracking locations. if you're going out to do something that you would want to hide your location, it's best to just leave the device at home. get a burner phone paid for in cash by someone not you doing the transaction.

Just pointing out this is an all-or-nothing strawman argument summed up as: if you can't have it all, don't bother trying. It's fallacious. That is all. :^)
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