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Re: <Blink> and <Marquee> (2020)

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Post by smj-edison »

chgs wrote: post #65
HnUser12 wrote: post #54

Lot of older India gov sites still seem to use these tags. https://www.epfindia.gov.in/site_en/index.php

I just applied for an evisa for India. It was horrendous. Pages wouldn’t continue without telling you what was wrong (too many or not enough commas in the address/phone field was one). When returning to the form the pre filled data had quotes in, which then wasn’t valid. Missing labels on fields. Then the hilarious “what countries in the last ten years, list all or get deported” combined with “you have too many count…

Man, I'm glad that in general form inputs have gotten a lot better. I was reading The Design Of Everyday Things the other day, and it was mentioning how most websites required an exact formatting and didn't provide an explanation...

Re: <Blink> and <Marquee> (2020)

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Post by Sophira »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #25
donatj wrote: post #21

I was there, 3,000 years ago. I remember fights over whether or not navigation in frames was bad practice. Not iframes, frames. Who here remembers frames? I remember using HTTP 204 before AJAX to send messages to the server without reloading the page. I remember building... image maps[1]... professionally in the early 2000. I remember spending multiple days drawing the borders of States on a map of the country in Dre…

I made a webchat with frames; an infinitely-loading top part for the text, and the bottom an input box that received 204 to not reload when you sent a message. I guess that was the most elegant way to do it in the IE4+ days. The top part could also receive a small that would reload the frame on the right, containing the user list. Fun times. Used it with a couple class mates around 2000 iirc.

A webchat that I used to go to back in the day implemented this too. I used to spend a lot of time there - it was my Internet home for several years. I miss it terribly.

Re: <Blink> and <Marquee> (2020)

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Post by Sophira »

rda2 wrote: post #137
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #68

I find marquee extremely useful, for one reason: HTML injection. I find it helpful to test for HTML injection vulnerabilities because marquee moves, and it's a tag that (almost) nobody intentionally uses, making it easy to identify when an attack works. I also find it helpful to show non-technical people the effects of HTML injection, because, again, it moves. "This moves and it really shouldn't move" is something pe…

I browse Hacker News through a custom aggregator. This post is how I found out it’s susceptible to HTML injection - a (2020) was marqueeing across my screen.

This whole comment section must be absolutely hell to look at on that...

Re: <Blink> and <Marquee> (2020)

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Post by neoberg »

donatj wrote: post #21

I was there, 3,000 years ago. I remember fights over whether or not navigation in frames was bad practice. Not iframes, frames. Who here remembers frames? I remember using HTTP 204 before AJAX to send messages to the server without reloading the page. I remember building... image maps[1]... professionally in the early 2000. I remember spending multiple days drawing the borders of States on a map of the country in Dre…

I remember building fluid views with rounded corners before border-radius.

Re: <Blink> and <Marquee> (2020)

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Post by Mr_Minderbinder »

echelon wrote: post #104
Timwi wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I developed web software with frames and I thought it was perfectly fine. To this day I still don't understand the issue with frames. People sometimes mention accessibility for screen readers, but nothing more specific than that, so I still don't know what the actual problem is.

We should have frozen the web from 2006 - 2010 or so. We had Ajax, lots of modern CSS, but weren't hell-bent on CSSifying and "SPA"-ing everything. Web standards hadn't yet jumped the shark. It's also before Steve Jobs murdered Flash. Killing Flash was one of the biggest mistakes we've made. The modern HTML/CSS/JS stack can't replicate how simple and functional it was. We're easily dealing with 100x the complexity no…

> Killing Flash was one of the biggest mistakes we've made.

Flash was a proprietary extension to the Web. That important parts of the Web were implemented with it was a travesty and reason enough for it to be killed as it threatened and subverted the open nature of the Web. The useful functionality it provided has been incorporated into Web standards and current implementations are no more complex or less efficient than Flash was. The rest is fluff which can readily dispensed with, there is no need to re-implement it, although lately I have been wondering if it is possible to replicate its functionality with a combination of SMIL and SVG.

Re: <Blink> and <Marquee> (2020)

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Post by satiric »

bradly wrote: post #14
satiric wrote: post #3

Considering the marquee tag works in basically all browsers [1], has anyone here actually found a good, unironic use for it in today's world of crazy CSS animations? [1]: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Reference/...

I use a bunch of marquees to create an animated scene on my homepage[0]. Different speeds for a parallax effect and even some multi-axis marquees for rain effect. [0]: https://bradlyfeeley.com/ (no idea which browsers it renders properly in)

I love the use of emoji in that animated scene! I would never have guessed; I only found out from looking at the raw HTML.

Re: <Blink> and <Marquee> (2020)

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Post by yyyk »

90s web:

Blink was used almost entirely for annoyance value - in other worse, all its uses were annoying. Marquee was the slow news ticker at the side you could ignore if you wanted to.

Re: <Blink> and <Marquee> (2020)

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Post by HappMacDonald »

jameslk wrote: post #50
donatj wrote: post #21

I was there, 3,000 years ago. I remember fights over whether or not navigation in frames was bad practice. Not iframes, frames. Who here remembers frames? I remember using HTTP 204 before AJAX to send messages to the server without reloading the page. I remember building... image maps[1]... professionally in the early 2000. I remember spending multiple days drawing the borders of States on a map of the country in Dre…

I remember meticulously using the photoshop slice tool To export gifs meant to be positioned perfectly in HTML tables For designs suited best for 800x600 All those moments lost in time, like tears in the rain

I remember meticulously perfecting every trick that the slice tool eventually automated before it existed using Jasc Paintshop Pro: squeezing every kb for maximal presentation from pieces of a larger image into gifs or jpgs so that the parts of it which needed to animate or be interactive could do so and the large parts that didn't could remain as high quality as possible.

And then I remember the slice tool appearing one day and being equal parts annoyed that they were biting my style and amazed that they did as thorough and well considered of a job as they did.

Re: <Blink> and <Marquee> (2020)

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Post by flomo »

joshuaissac wrote: post #121
bornfreddy wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did they survive without their funding before they got it? And don't say that web standards are much more complex nowadays - yes, they are, because it is in Google's interest to make them such. Will it hurt? Yes. Will Firefox survive? I hope so. Is it a bad idea? No.

> How did they survive without their funding before they got it? They were initially Netscape, a commercial company, so they had money from their customers. After the browser code base was handed over from Netscape/AOL to the Mozilla Foundation in 2003, they got donations from AOL, IBM, Red Hat, etc. which kept them going for a few more years. The Mozilla Foundation signed the deal with Google two years later, in 200…

Informative. AOL also sued Microsoft for iirc $1 billion for their illegal Netscape shenanigans. That kept Mozilla going for several years when they really didn't have a product, and probably would have been shut down otherwise.

Re: <Blink> and <Marquee> (2020)

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Post by twhb »

donatj wrote: post #21

I was there, 3,000 years ago. I remember fights over whether or not navigation in frames was bad practice. Not iframes, frames. Who here remembers frames? I remember using HTTP 204 before AJAX to send messages to the server without reloading the page. I remember building... image maps[1]... professionally in the early 2000. I remember spending multiple days drawing the borders of States on a map of the country in Dre…

> spacer gifs

Hacker News actually still uses these for comment indentation, check this page’s source code.

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