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The Rise of the Japanese Toilet

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Re: The Rise of the Japanese Toilet

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Post by zrobotics »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #114
mulmen wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have lived in close to a dozen places built over the entire second half of the 20th century and into the 2010s and never had a bathroom with more than 6 feet between the toilet and an outlet.

My master bathroom in a 2016 build has a separate toilet room, and only one outlet that is definitely more than six feet away, it would also require drilling a hole somewhere.

Yeah, NEC only requires 1 outlet within 3 feet of each sink in a bathroom, and 2 sinks 6' apart could share 1 outlet. Bathrooms are the really the only place where the NFPA hasn't extended the required number of outlets, and I wouldn't be surprised to see that changed in an upcoming revision. At the very least I wouldn't be shocked to see a NEC requirement for an outlet within 3' of each toilet in the next decade.

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Post by mousethatroared »

NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #66
mousethatroared wrote: post #63

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Why don't you hop into the shower after doing number two?

why take the whole shower, when you can sit on a bath side?

If you don't have a bidet. Thats how I solved the problem 35 years ago.

Re: The Rise of the Japanese Toilet

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Post by wintermutestwin »

Rendello wrote: post #10

I've used less advanced versions for a few years. The quality varies; the most recent one we put in is pretty horrible to use (but better than nothing). I've always wanted to try a real Toto, especially with the drying feature. A word of warning for female users: > Habitual use of bidet toilets aggravates vaginal microflora, either by depriving normal microflora or facilitating opportunistic infection of fecal bacter…

>I've always wanted to try a real Toto, especially with the drying feature.

Drying was one of the features that I wished I hadn't paid extra for. It is a trickle of air and would take way too long to get you dry.

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Post by zrobotics »

sublinear wrote: post #37
exhilaration wrote: post #36

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Those wet wipes shouldn't be flushed down the down the toilet, even if they're labeled "flushable", here's a nice PDF infographic from the city of Los Angeles explaining why: https://sanitation.lacity.gov/san/sandocview?docname=cnt0365...

It's a good thing not everyone lives in LA.

Do they need to post sources for every possible municipality? Los Angeles is actually a very definitive source on them being bad for sanitation systems. LA is a pretty young city, they really don't have any terribly ancient sewage systems. There were apparently still wooden pipes in service in Philly in 2017 [0], probably there still are some in service right now. LA's oldest infrastructure could conceivably be from the 1860s, and realistically their oldest infrastructure would be from the 1910s. If their sanitation district advises against it, why would we expect older cities like NYC or Baltimore to fare better?

[0] https://philly.curbed.com/2017/5/5/15545532/philadelphia-wat...

Re: The Rise of the Japanese Toilet

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Post by zzzoom »

dataviz1000 wrote: post #78
dfxm12 wrote: post #12

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If it's standard equipment, why wouldn't bathrooms be designed for it? New expectations? Something else?

Every bathroom in Thailand and Argentina is built with a drain in the floor. It's forward thinking construction. Otherwise, without the drain, either the bum gun or the bidet can and will easily damage the floor and anything below it.

You can use a mop if your aim is that bad.

Re: The Rise of the Japanese Toilet

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Post by zzzoom »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #95
dep_b wrote: post #28

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Standard equipment in Argentina, not in Northern Europe or the US, where you would have to be in the opportunity to completely redo your bathroom to accommodate it. Otherwise you need to rearrange, or go for a Japanese toilet.

Completely redo a bathroom? The barrier to entry is replacing the seat with one that connects to the existing waterline. I've got one and it took 10 minutes to install - and 5 of those were just cleaning first.

I think they're talking about a standalone bidet.

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Post by anjel »

aatd86 wrote: post #90
unhappy_meaning wrote: post #24

In almost all of SE Asia, especially Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, all of the toilets come with a hand-held sprayer. They also had this in the Doha airport and I'm not sure how common this style is outside of SE Asia but I'm guessing it's common. Japanese style bidets are very common in Korean households as well and I'm sure its easily a billion dollar business. It is nice but the functionality is quite difficult for…

computer vision will solve this and direct the waterjet in yer bullseye. :D ai...ai everywhere.

All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace

Re: The Rise of the Japanese Toilet

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Post by amluto »

One caveat: Toto toilets waste stupid amounts of power. With the heater off, I measure 40-50W at idle across multiple different models. With a heated seat that’s active or with the water heater on, it’s much higher. (A lot of Toto models have a small tank that is kept hot — only the higher end models have an on-demand flow tankless heater.)
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