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xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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This just made a whole ton of people I know on telegram (furries who make the internets go) immediately accelerate their movement off the platform. I found out about this news because of some backup signal rooms started sending notifications. They need to get ahead of the privacy implications and quickly. Furries are basically the roma of the internet at this point - what they value hasn't changed (anonymity, moderat…

Where are they going?

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Feels oh so telling that xAI has to pay Telegram and not the other way around. If these offerings were so great wouldn't we all be clamoring for it?

Same as OpenAI paying Apple to integrate ChatGPT with Siri/iPhone. Apple has the users. As does Telegram. Of course, non-paying users are a loss-leader, but some portion of them will convert to premium users. They’re paying for distribution. And maybe mindshare.

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> Telegram is the most popular messaging app in Iran and Uzbekistan [1] > Telegram’s largest market is India, which accounts for more than 20% of its userbase. Telegram also has a large amount of users in countries with heavy censorship and surveillance, such as Iran, Russia, and Uzbekistan. [1] > Percentage of users via region: Asia 38%, Europe 27%, Latin America 21%, MEMA 8% [1] It sure is valuable data - if you ar…

Unfortunately it's also the most sleek and feature-rich messenger of them all :(

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the next logical step after companies shoving AI into every corner of their own products regardless of whether their users want it - now they're paying other companies to shove AI things into their products regardless of whether their users want it. Genuine user interest doesn't come close to justifying their insane valuations so they have to put their thumb on the scale by shoving it everyones face and then pre…

It's absolutely wild and scary watching how much money is being spent on pushing AI down the unwilling public's throats. Nobody wants this. Yet we're hiring expensive AI researchers and developers, buying datacenters full of GPUs, and now paying "partner" companies, to deliver this thing that nobody is asking for. What in the world is going on here? What am I not understanding?

I think it’s probably as simple as some old fool on Sand Hill Rd got suckered into writing a check for this nonsense with promises of world domination by AI’s promised infinite profit with minimal cost. And to keep the whole charade going, everyone has to pretend that this will eventually see some returns otherwise the whole farcical system will come crashing down. We can only hope that happens and some correction rears its head.

The end result being all of us suffers in some way for the greed of a handful.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Call me stupid, but I fundamentally do not grasp why xAI would pay Telegram for access to its users. $300M seems like a crazy amount of money to put into a chat app. I am genuinely curious about the business strategy behind the move bc that would be a market worth exploring - having something that the AI industry would pay for bc they are willing to spend a lot right now.

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Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Feels oh so telling that xAI has to pay Telegram and not the other way around. If these offerings were so great wouldn't we all be clamoring for it?

Flawed logic. Google pays Mozilla for a spot in Firefox.

Google pays Mozilla a fraction of the money Goggle makes from ad clicks driven by Firefox, a revenue sharing agreement. Where's xAI's 80:20 split here? Where's the default AI interface in Telegram that users would fill with some other AI service if Telegram wasn't getting paid for the distribution? Where's the user expectation of AI in the product in the first place.

This is nothing like the Google Mozilla (or Googlge Apple or Google whoever) deal.

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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the good news is that when this doesn't yield any positive results for xAI and they need a bailout then they'll get bought by Tesla, and Elon is saved once again.

Reference to:

* https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceqjq11202ro (xAI bought Twitter)

* https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/01/elon-musk... (Tesla bought solarcity)

Effectively, of course, Twitter and Solarcity went bankrupt. That's what really happened.

I hope the CxO's at companies realize this, and so realize that Musk's big plan for Twitter ("just fire everyone, keep collecting the income") had a slightly different outcome when put into practice: fire everyone, rehire half, get publicly shamed by important people refusing to go back, bankruptcy in 2 years, 5 months. In other words, since 2022 Musk lost 5 million per day, on average, for 2.5 years.

Let that sink in!

Re: xAI to pay telegram $300M to integrate Grok into the chat app

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the next logical step after companies shoving AI into every corner of their own products regardless of whether their users want it - now they're paying other companies to shove AI things into their products regardless of whether their users want it. Genuine user interest doesn't come close to justifying their insane valuations so they have to put their thumb on the scale by shoving it everyones face and then pre…

xAI has essentially zero market outside of twitter, and with recent system prompt shenanigans from Elon, I cannot imagine anyone signing up to pay for API hits when there's a non-zero chance your application will suddenly start complaining about white genocide. They're painted themselves into a corner with the product and Elon's increasingly erratic behavior, they now have to pay companies to use their service.

> xAI has essentially zero market outside of twitter

I suspect some MAGA use it.

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